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U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

I can almost guarantee they may not be able to agree on bathroom break times let alone on impeaching the president. It's going to be a mess.

The law suits the president/his administration faces at this time involving abuse of powers by the executive branch that are headed to the Supreme court are mounting. He's already been found guilty once. If other rulings are to follow what is the Congress left to do for such behavior except impeach?
 
1. They'd have been "working on it" for yet another fifty years.
2. "overturning" Obama care is not the issue so much as coming up with a replacement. Right now, there is no alternate plan.
3. Yep. Pure partisan gamesmanship. That is one thing that they can do.
4. I'll believe that when I see it happen.
5. Followed by what? Four years of.... (fill in the blank)

and none of the above answers the question of just why the Congress sits idly by and allows the president to rule by executive order. If Obama is really shredding the Constitution and instituting one man rule, as is being claimed, why don't our elected representatives do something about it?
How can Congress prevent the President from issuing E.O.'s?
 
Hard to believe he began with an 80% approval rating and has since lost the House, the Senate, and now his approval ratings are well into the negatives.
Don't act like that's something unbelievable. The Second Term, Midterm Presidential Curse has happened to many presidents. Republicans put in 100% effort to get his approval where it is today. Trying hard to destroy this man and he keeps bouncing back.
 
Yes, I know but what good has this done the Cuban people? They are still trapped in Cuba under appalling living conditions. And what does Cuba have to trade anyway? They have no real industry.

Ask those that trade with them, it happens to be a large list. As for Cuba itself, they seem to be no worse off with trade open to these other nations.

Yes, but that hasn't been happening.

No real surprise. Obama does something, inherently Republicans are against it. But I've already agreed that Congress should be taking this on.

Because it's up to the Castro family to change direction and there are no incentives for them to do so. Adding another country to the list of countries already on the trade list won't change a thing, which is the point many have raised. Why not negotiate something for the Cuban people before recognizing Cuba.

Of course we can hope change will come but that hope has been going on for 50+ years now and there has been nada.

Exactly, 50+ years of existing policy has been ineffective. Since the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result, the obvious solution is try something different.
 
I'm waiting impatiently for this new house and Senate. Let's talk approval ratings then. You wanted it so bad,well you got it. I feel like it will guarantee a dem presidency in 2016. Go Cruz!
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They always did. Sanctions didn't work there, North Korea, Iraq, Iran....how long do we wait for the sanctions to get rid of the Castros, the Kims or the mullahs?

Did they do something to give us a reason to lift the embargo? No, they didn't. What's the mentality? They are an oppressive dictatorship. Opening more trade with them won't help the people of Cuba in the least, but will give a much needed cash injection to the murderous regime. And we want to do that why?

This embargo was been intact through Republican and Democrat presidents. The only thing changed now is that we have an incompetent fool in charge.
 
Did they do something to give us a reason to lift the embargo? No, they didn't. What's the mentality? They are an oppressive dictatorship. Opening more trade with them won't help the people of Cuba in the least, but will give a much needed cash injection to the murderous regime. And we want to do that why?

This embargo was been intact through Republican and Democrat presidents. The only thing changed now is that we have an incompetent fool in charge.
Remember that hopie changie term palin use to speak about so often. I think thats what this is about. Pope francis thinks so to. Young cubans may believe in that also.
 
Ask those that trade with them, it happens to be a large list. As for Cuba itself, they seem to be no worse off with trade open to these other nations.
yes, it's a long list but the people are still poor and trapped. What good has that long list done the Cuban people? The money goes into the pockets of the Castro family and those who have escaped, including his family, will tell you that.
No real surprise. Obama does something, inherently Republicans are against it. But I've already agreed that Congress should be taking this on.
In fact the polls, and the last election, show that the people are against Obama, not just the Republicans.
Exactly, 50+ years of existing policy has been ineffective. Since the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result, the obvious solution is try something different.
It's consistently been the same policy since Kennedy made the embargo official, though Jimmy Carter (an earlier version of BHO) also tried a deal with Castro. Castro must be laughing to himself again, as well as his fellow dictators. He gave up nothing.
 
Well those sanctions have worked so well in getting rid of the Castros, just like the sanctions against North Korea have made that country a democracy. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Cuba is, and has been, controlled. The sanctions work beautifully.

And Cuba has not agreed to free elections, free press, free speech, free travel, or free anything for their citizens. So why are we doing this? We just traded three known spies for a plumber.
 
Hysterical? Get a grip on reality and try to figure out why we have an embargo against Cuba. See my post above.

The reality is your support for a 50+ year embargo that changed nothing is becoming more absurd with every response.
 
yes, it's a long list but the people are still poor and trapped. What good has that long list done the Cuban people? The money goes into the pockets of the Castro family and those who have escaped, including his family, will tell you that.

And what do you propose we do to handle that since a 50+ year plan has miserably failed to achieve any objective of a better Cuba?

In fact the polls, and the last election, show that the people are against Obama, not just the Republicans.

I agree, which is why we are talking about Cuba and the merits of this embargo.

It's consistently been the same policy since Kennedy made the embargo official, though Jimmy Carter (an earlier version of BHO) also tried a deal with Castro. Castro must be laughing to himself again, as well as his fellow dictators. He gave up nothing.

Realistically, what do you think Obama can accomplish with trade relations that your 50+ year plan failed to do?
 
Cuba is, and has been, controlled. The sanctions work beautifully.

And Cuba has not agreed to free elections, free press, free speech, free travel, or free anything for their citizens. So why are we doing this? We just traded three known spies for a plumber.
Well we have an embassy in Vietnam where they captured and tortured your friend John McCain. why do we have one there and not cuba. Did we manage to change anything in Vietnam?
 
And what do you propose we do to handle that since a 50+ year plan has miserably failed to achieve any objective of a better Cuba?
It has been said repeatedly that perhaps Obama could have negotiated some freedoms for the Cuban people before making the move. This changes nothing. I don't know how to word this differently in order for you to understand.
I agree, which is why we are talking about Cuba and the merits of this embargo.
What merits are you talking about?
Realistically, what do you think Obama can accomplish with trade relations that your 50+ year plan failed to do?
It is not my plan, Slug.
The official embargo was begun by Jack Kennedy in 1962. It was his plan and the same plan has been in place since then.
 
Well we have an embassy in Vietnam where they captured and tortured your friend John McCain. why do we have one there and not cuba. Did we manage to change anything in Vietnam?
You think Cuba and Vietnam are the same? This is becoming too ridiculous!
 
The reality is your support for a 50+ year embargo that changed nothing is becoming more absurd with every response.

Your ignorance is getting more and more pronounced. The information about the embargo, Cuba, and world politics does not seem to be penetrating into your skull.
 
You think Cuba and Vietnam are the same? This is becoming too ridiculous!
What do you mean? they have human rights abuses. they don't have freedom of speech. they have political prisoners. they are communist. what's the difference. And they kicked our ass
 
What do you mean? they have human rights abuses. they don't have freedom of speech. they have political prisoners. they are communist. what's the difference. And they kicked our ass
Another thread killed by a t-person.
 
Remember that hopie changie term palin use to speak about so often. I think thats what this is about. Pope francis thinks so to. Young cubans may believe in that also.

I'm not sure what you mean by that. Palin was just mocking the complete failure of Obama's policies. So you think it is about Obama just continuing the failed policies for no other reason than to change for change's sake? Might be. He wants to do it, and he's going to do it even if there is no real reason to do so.
 
I'm not sure what you mean by that. Palin was just mocking the complete failure of Obama's policies. So you think it is about Obama just continuing the failed policies for no other reason than to change for change's sake? Might be. He wants to do it, and he's going to do it even if there is no real reason to do so.
Obama is doing what he said he was going to do. Engage with our enemies like he has done with Iran. It's 2014. The embargo hasn't worked. Open relations with cuba and let the growing youth in cuba be exposed to some sense of freedom or just to see what it looks like. And see what happens. I think some good will come out of it. Where is the threat in this. I simply don't see it.
 
Hard to believe he began with an 80% approval rating and has since lost the House, the Senate, and now his approval ratings are well into the negatives.

Good afternoon Grant,

I know most on the left find it hard to believe, but I'm not too surprised. I was far more surprised that more than half the American voting public recklessly decided to give him 4 more years.
 
Good afternoon Grant,

I know most on the left find it hard to believe, but I'm not too surprised. I was far more surprised that more than half the American voting public recklessly decided to give him 4 more years.

When the alternative was Mitt Romney, they were willing to hold their noses and re-elect.
 
You think Cuba and Vietnam are the same? This is becoming too ridiculous!
Maybe not the same

Two nations that the USA took issue with around the same time in history for reasons of "communism"

The USA recognizes Vietnam and has normal relations with them.

A. It was the 2nd longest war The USA had ever fought against a nation.

B. 58,000 American soldiers died and over 500,000 wounded.

C. Ho Chi Minh never accounted for or recognized any of the soldiers supposedly MIA.

The USA does not recognize Cuba and has an embargo against them.

A. With the exception of The Bay Of Pigs no American soldier has ever died fighting against Cuba

B. The Cuban Missile Crisis was resolved peacefully.

C. Yes, Castro was a brutal dictator, but that makes him different than leaders from some of the countries we recognize how?

What's wrong with this picture?
 
Maybe not the same

Two nations that the USA took issue with around the same time in history for reasons of "communism"

The USA recognizes Vietnam and has normal relations with them.

A. It was the 2nd longest war The USA had ever fought against a nation.

B. 58,000 American soldiers died and over 500,000 wounded.

C. Ho Chi Minh never accounted for or recognized any of the soldiers supposedly MIA.

The USA does not recognize Cuba and has an embargo against them.

A. With the exception of The Bay Of Pigs no American soldier has ever died fighting against Cuba

B. The Cuban Missile Crisis was resolved peacefully.

C. Yes, Castro was a brutal dictator, but that makes him different than leaders from some of the countries we recognize how?

What's wrong with this picture?


So why are even the Demos saying that what BO peep has done is.....validated the tyranny in the Fight against Castro?

You weren't going to say everybody else is wrong and Only BO Peep is correct, now were ya?
 
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