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Obama issues 'executive orders by another name'

Nice excuses. I imagine there are those quite pleased with the results of their indoctrination. Minions spewing memes is no doubt a glorious thing. At least you're doing something for them.

I agree with you but in this case the minions spouting the memes are the conservative and libertarians on this site that continue to use this as an example of everything that is wrong with the President. They have not facts to support their accusations. They have no examples of how the memoranda were used for anything but mundane management issues. They have no proof of how the President tried to hide these memoranda from the public. In fact there is ample proof, the fact that they have been publishing these memoranda on the White House.gov site that they are being as open as possible about them.

I provide no excuses. What I have said is firmly grounded in fact. What these memoranda have been portrayed as by the conservative media and their minions is clearly the spewing memes your are referring to.
 
This is how Demokrats define "most transparent administration."
This is Mr. Hope & Change.
ROTFLOL...

It's sleazy, they know it, but hey... it's what they do... So what can R's do about it... espcially with The Demokrat's Sex Toy... John Boehner... he's a boner alright... an idiot if there ever was one. What's he gonna do? Have Congress challenge Obama...? ROTFLOL... Nooooo... he just opens all cavaties and says, let me be the instrument of your desires.


First, one side almost totally obstructs the running of the government, even shutting it down for no apparent reason at one point. Then that side criticizes the leader of the other side for finding ways to pursue some actions in the face of such obstruction. Neat trick.
 
I agree with you but in this case the minions spouting the memes are the conservative and libertarians on this site that continue to use this as an example of everything that is wrong with the President. They have not facts to support their accusations. They have no examples of how the memoranda were used for anything but mundane management issues. They have no proof of how the President tried to hide these memoranda from the public. In fact there is ample proof, the fact that they have been publishing these memoranda on the White House.gov site that they are being as open as possible about them.

I provide no excuses. What I have said is firmly grounded in fact. What these memoranda have been portrayed as by the conservative media and their minions is clearly the spewing memes your are referring to.

Uh huh. Then perhaps you could explain the President claiming he has made fewer unilateral EO's than Bush, but in reality, when combined with EM's, which carry similar weight, he has drafted more than any President since Truman. Can you explain his comments in light of this fact? Should the public be expected to split hairs as the President apparently loves to do?

I get it that your a strong supporter of the President. I think he is one of the most arrogant and narcissistic Presidents in modern times. His policies are a joke, and the proof is massive. However, you're obviously not interested in acknowledging any of it. So be it.
 
Uh huh. Then perhaps you could explain the President claiming he has made fewer unilateral EO's than Bush, but in reality, when combined with EM's, which carry similar weight, he has drafted more than any President since Truman. Can you explain his comments in light of this fact? Should the public be expected to split hairs as the President apparently loves to do?

I get it that your a strong supporter of the President. I think he is one of the most arrogant and narcissistic Presidents in modern times. His policies are a joke, and the proof is massive. However, you're obviously not interested in acknowledging any of it. So be it.

AGAIN...AD NAUSEUM...FOR LEARNING IMPAIRED

The Executive Memoranda are NOT equivalent to Executive Orders. Particularly the way the President is using them. In fact some of the Executive Memoranda are managerial notes and directives on the Executive Orders that has signed. Instead of wasting time with countless meetings and having each management group for each affected branch of the executive write up managerial processes on what is expected the expectation is set in clear black and white english directly from the Chief Executive. The Executive Memoranda are managerial tools used for the mundane tasks of managing one of the largest organizations in the world. The President should draw attention to his heretofore restraint in the use of Executive Orders. The Executive Memoranda are not the same and should not be conflated as the same. The President was never trying to hide them and in fact has posted ALL the Executive Memoranda online for everyone (with a computer and internet access) to see. They are not controversial and do not represent massive shifts in policy. They are management tools.

Again I point to my original claim that the right is an effin joke. No matter what you just keep repeating the same claims over and over again in the hopes that some ferry will make them come true. What controversy is next...The President doesn't salt his eggs??????? What a joke.
 
Or perhaps just a difference of opinion.

AGAIN opinions, if they are to be respected and considered valid, need to be rooted in fact and logic. If not they should and will be treated as the utter nonsense they are.
 
How is the President hiding these?? These are also mostly minor crap...giving federal employees a day off on a Friday when Thursday is holiday...IMPEACH HIM NOW!

Having the FBI and ATF track weapons used in crimes (I cannot beleive they were not already doing this)...WHAT A COMMIE IMPEACH HIM NOW!

Creating a pilot program for a new type of savings account....SOCIALIST BASTARD IMPEACH HIM NOW!

The right in this country is an effin joke.



You are implying that Obama's actions are limited to the mundane, but seriously, do you really know what all of them are? Considering he has deliberately misled the American people on this very issue, as well as just about everything else he has done, are you really hat secure with all of his actions, that NONE of them benefit his cronies, fellow community organizers or even a voting bloc or two?

Or, in the Obama world is that simply business as usual?

You see, my problem is this. He says he has issuedless EO's than other presidents, but in truth his memo's and crap are the exact same thing and in fact he has issued more than any other president since FDR in the war.

Also, he has fed all the "stupid voters" he idea he is taking this heroic stand for illegals and ****, when in fact he is merely creating an elite and kicking the can down the road while encouraging more aliens streaming into the country. And you haven't even read it have you?


Is this the "progressive" standard in the USA? Is this what you excuse?

Sorry, but this isn't government of the people for the people, it is government of the masses for Obama.

And I do believe you are the first in this thread to use the word "impeach" and in ALL CAPS with an "!" all shouty and ****, so we know progressives are also prone to massive exaggeration and over reaction.
 
I would suggest the silence provides more evidence to what has been claimed about the media for many years.

considering it took a major outlet ten days or more to cover Gruber's "tortured language" and "stupid voters" I figure any given American knows about 3% of what his or her government is actually doing, and half of that is spin and bull****.

The last "open" in government we saw was during Watergate, which simply taught the bastards how to better hide it.
 
I would just like to see him spin his way around it. I imagine he'll just say "well i did go through congress, more than any other president. Im the most whatever you want president in history!"

It has become apparent that whatever he says, the opposite is true. The Affordable Care Act isn't and you can't keep your plan. There was no recovery and "shovel ready" wasn't "tee, hee, as shovel ready as we thought."

You hit it here:

“The biggest problems we’re facing right now have to do with George Bush trying to bring more and more power in to the executive branch, and not go through Congress at all,” he told an Iowa audience. “That’s what I intend to reverse when I’m president of the United States of America.”

I note this with every post:

"I take the Constitution very seriously. The biggest problems that we're facing right now have to do with George Bush trying to bring more and more power into the Executive Branch and not go through Congress at all, and that's what I intend to reverse when I'm President of the United States of America." Senator Obama, 2008

So now, after six years of bleating from Obama fanatics were learn that he is, in fact, no better than Bush by their own admission...as every criticism he's been shown results in one form or another of "Bush did it too" or "it's the republican's fault".

the guy is at least the most incompetent and dishonest president of the modern era, and considering he's up against Truman, Hoover, Ford and Carter, that's shows wer're dealing with a large, ugly FAIL
 
considering it took a major outlet ten days or more to cover Gruber's "tortured language" and "stupid voters" I figure any given American knows about 3% of what his or her government is actually doing, and half of that is spin and bull****.

The last "open" in government we saw was during Watergate, which simply taught the bastards how to better hide it.

Agreed. With a complicit media, and labyrinth like websites offering access to public documents, (ever try to view documents on gpo.gov, or other government sites?), the government is counting on people remaining in the dark.
 
Agreed. With a complicit media, and labyrinth like websites offering access to public documents, (ever try to view documents on gpo.gov, or other government sites?), the government is counting on people remaining in the dark.

You mean like "tortured language"?

No, never at gpo.gov, but we have a Mandarin style of civil service here, where 'access" takes on a rather distorted meaning in that, yes, you CAN, get access, but NO, not this way and not today.
 
You mean like "tortured language"?

No, never at gpo.gov, but we have a Mandarin style of civil service here, where 'access" takes on a rather distorted meaning in that, yes, you CAN, get access, but NO, not this way and not today.

When the Affordable Care Act was passed, I attempted to read the legislation. It would take 100 lawyers a month to actually follow what was in the bill, what with the cross references, and cites to other legislation. It would not be possible for a single voting member of Congress to have read and understood was in that legislation, even if they were given a year to read it.

Most people would be appalled by the output and actions of Congress on a daily basis while in session. Committee transcripts are available if you have hours to search for them, and days to figure out what is being discussed.

Smoke and Mirrors perfected.
 
When the Affordable Care Act was passed, I attempted to read the legislation. It would take 100 lawyers a month to actually follow what was in the bill, what with the cross references, and cites to other legislation. It would not be possible for a single voting member of Congress to have read and understood was in that legislation, even if they were given a year to read it.

Most people would be appalled by the output and actions of Congress on a daily basis while in session. Committee transcripts are available if you have hours to search for them, and days to figure out what is being discussed.

Smoke and Mirrors perfected.


Hmmm...

We have the daily Question Period where the government faces an hour of 'common oath' questioning by MP's. Hansard, the transcripts of all parliament and committee are published in print and on line on a daily basis. An act like the ACA would not get past the legal committee and would not meet the standard of law of 1,o00 years of the British Parliamentary System.

Increasingly, your "leaders" have been pushing the envelope of what is "law"; Obama, instead of the "brightest and the best" brought in the "sleaziest and least" to get the lie done.

My real hope is that this will be another "Watergate" and that change will come, that the smoke and mirrors becomes more real government. It won't happen, though, as long as one third the population is anti the other third and the third third gave up caring decades ago.
 
Hmmm...

We have the daily Question Period where the government faces an hour of 'common oath' questioning by MP's. Hansard, the transcripts of all parliament and committee are published in print and on line on a daily basis. An act like the ACA would not get past the legal committee and would not meet the standard of law of 1,o00 years of the British Parliamentary System.

Increasingly, your "leaders" have been pushing the envelope of what is "law"; Obama, instead of the "brightest and the best" brought in the "sleaziest and least" to get the lie done.

My real hope is that this will be another "Watergate" and that change will come, that the smoke and mirrors becomes more real government. It won't happen, though, as long as one third the population is anti the other third and the third third gave up caring decades ago.

It seems to me history illustrates the collective conscious of the citizens here works in cycles. Consider Prohibition. Imagine the collective thought required to ban alcohol, and the shift required to undo that folly.

Today, we have a similar run of Progressive thought winding it's way through the collective process. Like prohibition, such agenda's and action will inevitably give way to reasoned approaches to society and government, and such thoughts and ideas will fall away, ready for reload the next time emotional handwringing gets any traction.
 
It seems to me history illustrates the collective conscious of the citizens here works in cycles. Consider Prohibition. Imagine the collective thought required to ban alcohol, and the shift required to undo that folly.

Today, we have a similar run of Progressive thought winding it's way through the collective process. Like prohibition, such agenda's and action will inevitably give way to reasoned approaches to society and government, and such thoughts and ideas will fall away, ready for reload the next time emotional handwringing gets any traction.



Excellent comparison!

As both have an aberrant quality; prohibition was old time religion gone awry just as American "progressive" is an aberrant. The latter is a collection of old idea re-packaged as modern solutions, when they have been proven failures across the world. This country, once deemed the the hell hole of socialism by conservatives and "liberals" alike is more the true, modern "progressive", a hybrid of the best of socialism run by conservative ideals within a business friendly environment. The ACA is anything but business OR user friendly and yet this already discredited and rusted hulk stands as the epitome of the American "progressive" movement.

The best run and most prosperous governments today are a blend of some socialist ideals and business. In Japan, companies have little to no taxes but are their own nanny state. Germany's "right" is our middle and both have been thriving though hard times.

What you are being sold is a lie. Self serving politicians and an ignorant media, more capable of covering the exposure of some Hollywood bimbo's privates than political science are spewing goo that no longer even applies in the new, globalized world. Even the terms "right and left" have become vague; Germany's 'Conservatives' are more "left" than our socialists especially on the ecology. Canada's Conservatives tout the BENEFITS of universal health care to business, rather successfully in fact. The so-called "socialist" Chinese have no health care at all, no unemployment, and still have forced labor, and then there's the French whose conservatives created the 30 hour work week and 12 weeks vacation

What is winding through your system is a disease of ego and greed and corruption posing as ideology.
 
AGAIN opinions, if they are to be respected and considered valid, need to be rooted in fact and logic. If not they should and will be treated as the utter nonsense they are.

Or you could treat other peoples opinions with civility.
 
You are implying that Obama's actions are limited to the mundane, but seriously, do you really know what all of them are? Considering he has deliberately misled the American people on this very issue, as well as just about everything else he has done, are you really hat secure with all of his actions, that NONE of them benefit his cronies, fellow community organizers or even a voting bloc or two?

Or, in the Obama world is that simply business as usual?

You see, my problem is this. He says he has issuedless EO's than other presidents, but in truth his memo's and crap are the exact same thing and in fact he has issued more than any other president since FDR in the war.

Also, he has fed all the "stupid voters" he idea he is taking this heroic stand for illegals and ****, when in fact he is merely creating an elite and kicking the can down the road while encouraging more aliens streaming into the country. And you haven't even read it have you?


Is this the "progressive" standard in the USA? Is this what you excuse?

Sorry, but this isn't government of the people for the people, it is government of the masses for Obama.

And I do believe you are the first in this thread to use the word "impeach" and in ALL CAPS with an "!" all shouty and ****, so we know progressives are also prone to massive exaggeration and over reaction.

ONE MORE TIME...

You cannot conflate Executive Memoranda with Executive Orders. I am not only implying that the memoranda deal with administrative functions I am stating. It obvious that you have done nothing to research this issue yourself and you are just repeating sound bites and talking points of others.

The reason you cannot conflate Memoranda with Executive Orders is that many of the Memoranda are setting up administrative directives relating to Executive Orders. If you conflate the two you will get an erroneous number because they would in effect be duplicates. If you had bothered to even casually research the issue yourself you would know this and not look so foolish.

The President and the Administration did not "mislead" anyone about the Executive Orders. You cannot conflate Executive Orders and Executive Memoranda. They are two distinct things used for distinct purposes. Please do a little research on your own before spouting misleading talking points.
 
Or you could treat other peoples opinions with civility.

I do treat other peoples opinions with civility if those opinions are valid and based on something more than wishful thinking. I will not treat opinions that have been exposed as false, misleading or otherwise unreasonable opinions with respect because they do not deserve respect. If you treat every cockamammie opinion as valid then people with cockamammie notions are vindicated as if their notions are equivalent of valid fact based, logical opinions and they are not equivalent. They need to be exposed as the bull**** they are.
 
I do treat other peoples opinions with civility if those opinions are valid and based on something more than wishful thinking. I will not treat opinions that have been exposed as false, misleading or otherwise unreasonable opinions with respect because they do not deserve respect. If you treat every cockamammie opinion as valid then people with cockamammie notions are vindicated as if their notions are equivalent of valid fact based, logical opinions and they are not equivalent. They need to be exposed as the bull**** they are.

Or you could just treat other people civilly.
 
Or you could just treat other people civilly.

Again I go out of my way to treat people with civility. When they continually spout thoroughly debunked "opinions" I will treat those opinions with requisite contempt.
 
Again I go out of my way to treat people with civility. When they continually spout thoroughly debunked "opinions" I will treat those opinions with requisite contempt.

And you see how thats the opposite of civility, right?
 
And you see how thats the opposite of civility, right?

No I do not. I first go out of my to be civil and inform people why I think their opinions are groundless. Then, particularly on this board, I am called everything from commie, a racist, obamabot, brainwashed lefty etc. etc. Is that your definition of civility? So I return fire in kind it my civility that is called into question? Sorry...try again.
 
No I do not. I first go out of my to be civil and inform people why I think their opinions are groundless. Then, particularly on this board, I am called everything from commie, a racist, obamabot, brainwashed lefty etc. etc. Is that your definition of civility? So I return fire in kind it my civility that is called into question? Sorry...try again.

Nah..
 
Too bad Obama didn't issue his immigration reforms BEFORE the election.
Especially with how we've seen the GOP melt down since .
 
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