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N.C. teen's hanging death ruled a suicide; mother says it was a lynching

A small rural and poor town predominately white. Almost certainly a murder. They should investigate those who know the 31 year old white woman he was sexually involved with. The motive likely is found there.

As of the census[SUP][1][/SUP] of 2000,[SUP][dated info][/SUP] there were 1,718 people, 762 households, and 471 families residing in the town. The population density was 789.5 people per square mile (304.3/km²). There were 832 housing units at an average density of 382.3 per square mile (147.4/km²). The racial makeup of the town was 80.33% White, 17.81% African American, 0.93% Native American, 0.17% Pacific Islander, 0.47% from other races, and 0.29% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 1.22% of the population.
There were 762 households out of which 26.1% had children under the age of 18 living with them, 42.8% were married couples living together, 15.0% had a female householder with no husband present, and 38.1% were non-families. 36.0% of all households were made up of individuals and 18.1% had someone living alone who was 65 years of age or older. The average household size was 2.19 and the average family size was 2.83.
In the town the population was spread out with 22.8% under the age of 18, 6.5% from 18 to 24, 24.9% from 25 to 44, 25.3% from 45 to 64, and 20.4% who were 65 years of age or older. The median age was 42 years. For every 100 females there were 85.5 males. For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 78.0 males.
The median income for a household in the town was $19,300, and the median income for a family was $30,900. Males had a median income of $28,438 versus $21,154 for females. The per capita income for the town was $15,102. About 23.2% of families and 30.0% of the population were below the poverty line, including 46.9% of those under age 18 and 23.9% of those age 65 or over.


 
Age 31.

Mother says not his belts. Shoes that don't fit disappeared? Nothing showing how he hanged himself? No motive for suicide?

It sounds the was a murder. Covered in fire ants suggest he was killed elsewhere and then moved there.

Both the belts & shoes information has come from the family, not the investigation. The locals have involved the FBI because the family refuses to talk with them.

While its fun to speculate, at this point there isn't enough information to suggest any nefarious occurred.
 
Both the belts & shoes information has come from the family, not the investigation. The locals have involved the FBI because the family refuses to talk with them.

While its fun to speculate, at this point there isn't enough information to suggest any nefarious occurred.

There is plenty of information to "suggest" a murder occurred.
 
correct, which would actually be the definition of lynch which has nothing to do with RACE

So then why is the NAACP there if this has nothing to do with race? Why did the article talk about how if this was a white man who was found hung everyone would be a suspect? Just collateral information with no real purpose?
 
Of course not...when have a group of people ever worked together to hang a person to death? That's crazy talk Middleground

I made the mistake of googling "lynching" and clicking on "images." Ugly, ugly stuff... that all happened in 20th century America. :(
 
Did it cross your mind that it could be a group of people?


Still would be a struggle.

And ALLOT of evidence to support that a " group of people " where there including fresh shoe prints from multiple individuals
 
Of course not...when have a group of people ever worked together to hang a person to death? That's crazy talk Middleground


When has a " group of people " left zero evidence of their participation in a hanging ?

Did they all Walk to the location ? Did they drive ?

No shoe prints ? No car tread prints ?

Did they fly him their using jet packs ?
 
So then why is the NAACP there if this has nothing to do with race?
Why did the article talk about how if this was a white man who was found hung everyone would be a suspect? Just collateral information with no real purpose?

weird, can you point out where i said this story definitely has nothing to do with race? This COULD easily be a race related incident. :shrug:
I said the word LYNCH in itself has nothing to do with race, glad I could help clear up your mistake, you're welcome.
 
That doesn't make it a lynching as we know it. It makes it a murder by hanging, unless there is evidence that it was racially motivated as lynchings once were.

a murder by hanging if done by a group of people would in fact be a lynching by definition. Race has ZERO impact on the word.
 
Still would be a struggle.

And ALLOT of evidence to support that a " group of people " where there including fresh shoe prints from multiple individuals

Yes because grass always leave distinctive footprints, especially in highly trafficked ones. :roll:
 
She says she can believe anything but it needs to be proven to her.

Well, then how the hell did she come up with the idea that he was lynched even though there really is no proof of that?
 
a murder by hanging if done by a group of people would in fact be a lynching by definition. Race has ZERO impact on the word.

Race doesn't, but there's more to a lynching than just "mob" and "hanging."

Define lynch = "(of a mob) kill (someone), especially by hanging, for an alleged offense with or without a legal trial."

Said mob's motive for killing would have to be based on them having accused him of something illegal, otherwise, it's not a lynching. If it was murder for the sake of murder or even murder purely because of racial issues, it's by definition not a lynch.

correct, which would actually be the definition of lynch which has nothing to do with RACE

Patently FALSE, lynching doesn't even require the death to be by hanging, although hanging is especially common in lynching.

An example of lynching would be a woman being accused in the ME of having committed something like adultery and then being stoned before having a chance to defend herself. ME has lynchings ALL the time.
 
a murder by hanging if done by a group of people would in fact be a lynching by definition. Race has ZERO impact on the word.

So then the "breaking news" story here is simply that a man's death was ruled suicide, and his family wants it ruled homicide.

Are you going to post these types of "breaking news" stories daily? Because that's pretty much how often they happen. What made this one so special to you?
 
1.)Race doesn't, but there's more to a lynching than just "mob" and "hanging."
Define lynch = "(of a mob) kill (someone), especially by hanging, for an alleged offense with or without a legal trial."

Said mob's motive for killing would have to be based on them having accused him of something illegal, otherwise, it's not a lynching. If it was murder for the sake of murder or even murder purely because of racial issues, it's by definition not a lynch.


2.)Patently FALSE, lynching doesn't even require the death to be by hanging, although hanging is especially common in lynching.

An example of lynching would be a woman being accused in the ME of having committed something like adultery and then being stoned before having a chance to defend herself. ME has lynchings ALL the time.

1.) 100% false, said "crime" could be a personal one, it doesnt have to be an actual legal one, it could be a "perceived" crime.
2.) good thing i didnt say it had to be a hangin so theres NOTHING false about it lol its called context and the context was about the possibility of a "group". my statement is 100% accurate based on context.

try to stick to what was actually said and you can avoid your mistake in the future, thanks!
 
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1.) 100% false, said "crime" could be a personal one, it doesnt have to be an actual legal one, it could be a "perceived" crime.
2.) good thing i didnt say it had to be a hangin so theres NOTHING false about it lol its called context and the context was about the possibility of a "group". my statement is 100% accurate based on context.

try to stick to what was actually said and you can avoid your mistake in the future, thanks!

"Said crime can be a personal one, it doesn't have to be legal."

BS, the ulterior motive may be 100% personal and we may never know, but the definition of a lynch is that the person is accused of a crime and is executed without trial.

If you think otherwise, prove it. The dictionaries are on my side so it's going to be uphill for you.
 
"Said crime can be a personal one, it doesn't have to be legal."

BS, the ulterior motive may be 100% personal and we may never know, but the definition of a lynch is that the person is accused of a crime and is executed without trial.

If you think otherwise, prove it. The dictionaries are on my side so it's going to be uphill for you.
LMAO oh really? I hoep you are not serious?

sorry but you are 100% wrong to say it must be a legal crime, the crime indeed can be personal

proof you say? the dictionary is on your side?

https://www.ahdictionary.com/word/search.html?q=lynch&submit.x=32&submit.y=23
lynched, lynch·ing, lynch·es
To punish (a person) without legal process or authority, especially by hanging, for a perceived offense or as an act of bigotry.
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Definition of “lynch” | Collins English Dictionary
lynch, verb
(transitive) (of a mob) to punish (a person) for some supposed offence by hanging without a trial
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Lynch | Define Lynch at Dictionary.com
lynch
to put to death, especially by hanging, by mob action and without legal authority.
ZERO mention of crime
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lynch - definition of lynch by The Free Dictionary
lynch
To punish (a person) without legal process or authority, especially by hanging, for a perceived offense or as an act of bigotry.
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sorry you are factually wrong (saying it HAS to be legal) as proven by "proof", links, facts and the "dictionary"
so theres no up hill battle that was as easy as water flowing down and the BS was in your post.

the fact remains, if say a muslim town hung a man who was an infidel for his marriage to a muslim woman or the sin of disrespecting thier god that would in fact be a lynching, even though there is no legal crime the guy is being charged with.

same for when blacks were lynched for knowing how to read or being in the wrong part of town etc no legal crime, yet BY DEFINITION, it could still be called a lynching

Like i said, your mistake, glad i could help you out, facts win again
 
LMAO oh really? I hoep you are not serious?

sorry but you are 100% wrong to say it must be a legal crime, the crime indeed can be personal

proof you say? the dictionary is on your side?

https://www.ahdictionary.com/word/search.html?q=lynch&submit.x=32&submit.y=23
lynched, lynch·ing, lynch·es
To punish (a person) without legal process or authority, especially by hanging, for a perceived offense or as an act of bigotry.
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Definition of “lynch” | Collins English Dictionary
lynch, verb
(transitive) (of a mob) to punish (a person) for some supposed offence by hanging without a trial
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Lynch | Define Lynch at Dictionary.com
lynch
to put to death, especially by hanging, by mob action and without legal authority.
ZERO mention of crime
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lynch - definition of lynch by The Free Dictionary
lynch
To punish (a person) without legal process or authority, especially by hanging, for a perceived offense or as an act of bigotry.
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sorry you are factually wrong (saying it HAS to be legal) as proven by "proof", links, facts and the "dictionary"
so theres no up hill battle that was as easy as water flowing down and the BS was in your post.

the fact remains, if say a muslim town hung a man who was an infidel for his marriage to a muslim woman or the sin of disrespecting thier god that would in fact be a lynching, even though there is no legal crime the guy is being charged with.

same for when blacks were lynched for knowing how to read or being in the wrong part of town etc no legal crime, yet BY DEFINITION, it could still be called a lynching

Like i said, your mistake, glad i could help you out, facts win again

Uh huh, and here is the definition from the Merriam Webster dictionary.

"to kill (someone) illegally as punishment for a crime"

"to put to death (as by hanging) by mob action without legal sanction"

Lynch - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

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From the OXFORD DICTIONARIES

"(Of a group of people) kill (someone) for an alleged offence without a legal trial, especially by hanging"

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None of your definitions refute my point that it must be someone being accused of a crime to be a lynching. The whole point of a lynching that I made was that the person was ACCUSED of a crime and was not given DUE PROCESS.

READ THINGS

Apparently you were incapable of reading the key word in my original definition of lynch "ACCUSED of a crime"
 
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When has a " group of people " left zero evidence of their participation in a hanging ?

Did they all Walk to the location ? Did they drive ?

No shoe prints ? No car tread prints ?

Did they fly him their using jet packs ?

Well you seem to have a lot of insight into the crime scene.
 
Uh huh, and here is the definition from the Merriam Webster dictionary.

"to kill (someone) illegally as punishment for a crime"

"to put to death (as by hanging) by mob action without legal sanction"

Lynch - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

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From the OXFORD DICTIONARIES

"(Of a group of people) kill (someone) for an alleged offence without a legal trial, especially by hanging"

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Seems like a standstill to me, although the oxford dictionaries is on MY side. And dictionary.com? Give me a ****ing break.

uhm NONE of those change anything or are on your side lol including oxford

and i could actually use your definitions also the first doesn't say LEGAL crime, the second one just says its done without legality which is any murder and the third says without trial

none of those support your false claim

the fact still remains that my statement was 100% accurate and you saying it wasn't was FALSE

example, if this kid was hung by a group because he had a white girlfriend that in fact can be called a lynching :shrug:
this fact will not change
like i said your mistake and facts win again
 
uhm NONE of those change anything or are on your side lol including oxford

and i could actually use your definitions also the first doesn't say LEGAL crime, the second one just says its done without legality which is any murder and the third says without trial

none of those support your false claim

the fact still remains that my statement was 100% accurate and you saying it wasn't was FALSE

example, if this kid was hung by a group because he had a white girlfriend that in fact can be called a lynching :shrug:
this fact will not change
like i said your mistake and facts win again

WRONG

If the kid was hung because he had a white girlfriend the perpetrators would have to accuse him of having done something that is considered a crime in order for it to be a lynching rather than just a murder.

define crime = An action or omission which constitutes an offence and is punishable by law

(definition from oxford dictionary)
 
WRONG

If the kid was hung because he had a white girlfriend the perpetrators would have to accuse him of having done something that is considered a crime in order for it to be a lynching rather than just a murder.

define crime = An action or omission which constitutes an offence and is punishable by law

(definition from oxford dictionary)

100% false facts, links, the origin of the word and dictionaries already prove this.


also from oxford
crime: definition of crime in Oxford dictionary (American English) (US)
"1.2 An action or activity that, although not illegal, is considered to be evil, shameful, or wrong:"
Crime doe NOT have to be leggal, like i said if it said LEGAL crime then youd have something but you dont

ever hear someone say, its a crime he didnt get the MVP or its a crime to be so hot etc etc

so lets reflect on the facts again:
if the kid was hung by a group for dating a white woman that in fact could be called a lynching.
This fact will never change no matter your OPINIONS, you cant beat facts.

My statement is 100% true, Glad I could help clear your mistake up for you, facts win again.
 
100% false facts, links, the origin of the word and dictionaries already prove this.


also from oxford
crime: definition of crime in Oxford dictionary (American English) (US)
"An action or activity that, although not illegal, is considered to be evil, shameful, or wrong:"
Crime doe NOT have to be leggal, like i said if it said LEGAL crime then youd have something but you dont

ever hear someone say, its a crime he didnt get the MVP or its a crime to be so hot etc etc

so lets reflect on the facts again:
if the kid was hung by a group for dating a white woman that in fact could be called a lynching.
This fact will never change no matter your OPINIONS, you cant beat facts.

My statement is 100% true, Glad I could help clear your mistake up for you, facts win again.

We have two different definitions, yours does not take any more precedence than mine. You have won nothing, at most it's a tie and up for a toss.
 
We have two different definitions, yours does not take any more precedence than mine. You have won nothing, at most it's a tie and up for a toss.

no, we do not . . .they are the same definitions as shown lol

you are correct though "I" have won nothing because i wasn't playing

However your posts most certainly lost and got destroyed by facts because you called my statement "false"
It is not false and facts, links and the dictionary all prove that. :shrug:
Facts win again.
 
no, we do not . . .they are the same definitions as shown lol

you are correct though "I" have won nothing because i wasn't playing

However your posts most certainly lost and got destroyed by facts because you called my statement "false"
It is not false and facts, links and the dictionary all prove that. :shrug:
Facts win again.

They aren't the same definition, that's moronic, why would the dictionary repeat itself twice? Crime has two different definitions because people use it in two different ways.

No definition takes precedence, I say lynch uses the crime in regards to law you say lynch uses the word crime in its definition in the general sense that it's an accusation of any wrong, not just a legal crime.

I say bull****.

Facts, links, and dictionary are all just dictionary, stop unnecessarily inflating what authority your argument has because the facts are from the dictionary and the links lead to the dictionary so even though you say "I HAVE FACTS LINKS AND DICTIONARY SUCKER" in reality you only have the dictionary.
 
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