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Sydney siege: Hostages held in Lindt cafe[W:49]

Ahh its the "more guns means less shootings" crowd. Awesome philosophy there. Blame this on their strict gun control laws. How many school shootings have they had down there the last couple of decades? I mean, if you are going to criticize the gun laws for that one shooting why not take a wider and more comprehensive look at shooting results eh?

Its not about more Guns, its simply about the Right to defend ourselves.

In Americas case that right is inalienable, God given.

Its willful ignorance to think for one second that more Gun laws lead to a safer society.

Especially in America where we don't control our Southern Border.
 
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Remain calm and if there is really nothing you can do, wait for someone to come help you. If there is something you can do, do it.

But prayer may help some people to remain calm in a hostage situation and increase their chances of survival.

By that reasoning its not useless.
 
But prayer may help some people to remain calm in a hostage situation and increase their chances of survival.

By that reasoning its not useless.

So can deep breathing, meditation and any number of other things. It's all a means of self-control, none of it actually means that some imaginary friend in the sky is coming to your aid.

But of course, that has nothing to do with what spurred that response in this thread, which is people wholly uninvolved in the whole situation are pretending that talking to themselves actually helps anything.
 
Exactly,

Takes allot of faith to believe there's no God.

Atheist have to rely on Faith to justify their position that there's absolutely no God.

Most Atheists rely on something called evidence. If there is no scientific evidence for it, then it does not require any faith to not believe it.
 
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Sydney Cafe Siege: Three Dead in Standoff
Lone Gunman Identified as Man Haron Monis Pronounced Dead at Hospital, Along With Two Unnamed Hostages
http://www.wsj.com/articles/sydney-...-gunman-1418630919?mod=WSJ_hp_RightTopStories
By DANIEL STACEY, ROSS KELLY And DAVID WINNING
Updated Dec. 15, 2014 3:02 p.m. ET

SYDNEY—A siege that shut down a large part of central Sydney for more than 16 hours ended early Tuesday after two hostages and their armed captor were killed when police stormed the cafe behind a hail of bullets.

New South Wales police said the lone gunman was pronounced dead in the hospital following the shootout at the Lindt Chocolate Café in Sydney’s Martin Place district around 2:10 a.m. Two unnamed hostages, a 34-year-old man and a 38-year-old woman, were killed in the shootout, though police didn’t say whether the victims’ wounds came from the gunman or from police.
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Andrew Scipione, New South Wales’s police commissioner, said officers stormed the building after hearing gunshots from inside. After hours of fruitless negotiations with the gunman, officers threw flash grenades and fired automatic weapons into the cafe.

Mr. Scipione said there were 17 hostages—many of whom escaped—at the cafe, a popular stop for office workers and shoppers. The crisis began around 9:45 a.m. Monday.

“Unbelievably overnight we have lost some of our own in an attack we would never think we would see in our city,” said Mike Baird, premier of New South Wales, Australia’s most populous state. “In the past 24 hours this city has been changed by a tragedy that none of us would have ever imagined.”
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You can no more disprove Gods existence than I can prove it.

We both need faith to justify our beliefs.

Deal with it, your'e one of the faithful.

Actually, YOU are the one who has to make the proof. Oh wait, I forgot.........

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Re: Islamist terrorist takes 13 hostages in Australia

I predicted to my wife last night that the Aussies were liberal incompetants and that 3 to 5 hostages would be killed. Was only off by one.

I wish that the government offical that signed off on this Islamo-fanatatic to immigrate there would be identified and publically humiliated.

Real classy. Double-down on insulting a country that is going through a national tragedy. May I point out the dozens of times that American law enforcement has ended up losing (and even accidentally killing) hostages in similar situations? Honestly, your post makes me physically ill. You should be ashamed.
 
Actually, YOU are the one who has to make the proof. Oh wait, I forgot.........

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Thats not how Faith works. I don't have to prove it to anyone.

Niether does a Atheist have to prove that God does not exist to anyone.
 
Most Atheists rely on something called evidence. If there is no scientific evidence for it, then it does not require any faith to not believe it.


Nonsense. The belief in things unseen or that can't be proven requires faith.

Atheist have their Faith, and Christians have theirs.
 
So can deep breathing, meditation and any number of other things. It's all a means of self-control, none of it actually means that some imaginary friend in the sky is coming to your aid.

But of course, that has nothing to do with what spurred that response in this thread, which is people wholly uninvolved in the whole situation are pretending that talking to themselves actually helps anything.


And I wouldn't say that those coping mechanisms dont work.

They do work. Just like Prayer works for some.

And it doesn't matter how close someone is to a tragedy they still may feel empathy for the loss of those directly affected by it.

How those people deal with that loss or how effective the coping mechamism they've chosen is not for you or anyone to judge.
 
Re: Islamist terrorist takes 13 hostages in Australia

Wish people would stop calling it a "siege," you'd think an army was invading the Australian coast.
 
Re: Islamist terrorist takes 13 hostages in Australia

Real classy. Double-down on insulting a country that is going through a national tragedy. May I point out the dozens of times that American law enforcement has ended up losing (and even accidentally killing) hostages in similar situations? Honestly, your post makes me physically ill. You should be ashamed.

Sorry if my wisdom and insight offends---as ex-military and a student of such things---I was just giving my honest evaluation.

The police and political officals in charge of this were liberal fools. Video obersvation could have been used with micro camera from the windows or ceiling and determined this was a lone gunman early on. A high powered rifle could have shot right through the window the many instances where this terrorist was standing around. One doesn't negotiate with dirtbags like him. You kill them ASAP.

The shame is on anyone who allows Islamics into civilized nations.
 
They have pretty strict Fun laws in Australia.

I wonder if they're going to reconsider changing them after all this ?

Makes me glad to be American and to have the Right to own a pistol.

Like what, Fenton? What change do you think will help Australia deal with this incident?
 
Like what, Fenton? What change do you think will help Australia deal with this incident?

Conceal Carry to start. Give the Citizens a right to defend theirselves

In Houston it seems at least once a week a Home intruder or a burglar winds up getting himself killed by a law abiding citizen practicing his second amendment rights.

The left use to say that Texas would turn into the Old West if we passed a Conceal carry law.

It hasn't.

More lies from a group of ethically challenged individuals.
 
Its willful ignorance to think for one second that more Gun laws lead to a safer society.

LOL, that has got to be the most ridiculous thing I have ever read at DP in all of my almost 10 years. I facepalmed myself so hard, I got a concussion.

In fact, it's JUST THE OPPOSITE, Fenton.
 
Conceal Carry to start. Give the Citizens a right to defend theirselves

In Houston it seems at least once a week a Home intruder or a burglar winds up getting himself killed by a law abiding citizen practicing his second amendment rights.

The left use to say that Texas would turn into the Old West if we passed a Conceal carry law.

It hasn't.

More lies from a group of ethically challenged individuals.

But why??? Gun violence is not a problem in Australia.
 
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It is done all the time by Muslim leaders in the west.. it just rarely makes it in the news.
I would think the libs in the media would be trumpeting this. Makes me think you are just making that up.
 
LOL, that has got to be the most ridiculous thing I have ever read at DP in all of my almost 10 years. I facepalmed myself so hard, I got a concussion.

In fact, it's JUST THE OPPOSITE, Fenton.


Your over reaction is a bit fake.
 
Re: Islamist terrorist takes 13 hostages in Australia

The Grand Mufti might have stepped in earlier when this guy faced 50 charges of indecent and sexual assault during his time as a 'spiritual healer'. He also appeared in court for sending hate-filled letters to the families of soldiers killed in Afghanistan. It's very Christian to turn the other cheek and feel good about ourselves for being so forgiving towards those who murder innocent people, and this seems to happen whenever Muslims commit terrorism.

The Muslim community always seems to get more sympathy than the families of those who were murdered.
Well, I won't argue that the GM could have been pro active or not, but seems to me it should have been the cops, or their equivalent of DoHS that got on top of this.
 
But why??? Gun violence is not a problem in Australia.

Radical Muslims seems to be an issue though.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/australian-muslim-leadership-in-chaos-radicals-reject-australia-boycott-tony-abbott/story-fni0cx12-1227030032871?nk=5e960e822d82256eb9fd4da924f1647b

Hate preachers in Australia uncovered after fiery Lateline interview

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=australia%20radical%20muslims

Time to give Australians the same rights we have here in America, the right of self defense. You know, so they won't have to wait 16 hours for their Government to not kill the bad guy
 
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Well, I won't argue that the GM could have been pro active or not, but seems to me it should have been the cops, or their equivalent of DoHS that got on top of this.
You're right, but it was a counter to the GM getting any credit for remarks made after the fact, which usually seems to be the case.. With this guys record he should have been removed from society much earlier and was, of course, well known within the Islamic community.

If you scroll down you can see the killer in front of the window which raises the question of why he wasn't taken out then. THREE DEAD IN BLOODY END TO SIEGE: Two hostages dead and Muslim gunman killed as police storm Sydney cafe with assault rifles and stun grenades moments after hostages fled | Daily Mail Online
 
Just awful, beyond words.

Our Community will remain solid and we will look out for each other and stick together. RIP to the victims, my heart and thoughts are with all involved.
 
Just awful, beyond words.

Our Community will remain solid and we will look out for each other and stick together. RIP to the victims, my heart and thoughts are with all involved.
Are you in Sydney?
 
Ahh its the "more guns means less shootings" crowd. Awesome philosophy there. Blame this on their strict gun control laws. How many school shootings have they had down there the last couple of decades? I mean, if you are going to criticize the gun laws for that one shooting why not take a wider and more comprehensive look at shooting results eh?

You think the lack of school house shootings is a direct result of banning guns?
 
Radical Muslims seems to be an issue though.

No Cookies | dailytelegraph.com.au

Hate preachers in Australia uncovered after fiery Lateline interview

https://www.google.com/webhp?source...1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=australia radical muslims

Time to give Australians the same rights we have here in America, the right of self defense. You know, so they won't have to wait 16 hours for their Government to not kill the bad guy

But yet there is so much more gun violence in the US. A guy in Pennsylvania today shot 6 people in cold blood (ex. military) yet it's "just another day at the office" in the US. Ho-hum, people getting shot down... no biggie.
 
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