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African-American grand jury to examine evidence in the Michael Brown shooting

African-American grand jury to examine evidence in the Michael Brown shooting

ST. LOUIS, MO (KTVI) – African-American community leaders say they’re taking action to put justice back into the hands of black people. They say they will convene a black grand jury on January 3rd and 4th to look at the evidence in the Michael Brown shooting.

Those grand jury members will go over the evidence presented to the St. Louis County Grand Jury. They also say they will call Darren Wilson, County Prosecutor Bob McCulloch, Ferguson Mayor James Knowles and Governor Jay Nixon to testify.

“What it does is educates and informs our people that two bodies came together, examined the same set of evidence, and were able to come to different conclusions. Therefore, the only thing standing between us and our ability to carry out the will of the people is to change this relationship that exists between us and the armed state apparatus that controls us.” said Omali Ye****ela of the African People’s Socialist Party.

Regardless of the decision made by this grand jury, it will have no legal bearing on the case.​

African-American grand jury to examine evidence in the Michael Brown shooting | FOX2now.com


A predetermined conclusion? :doh
The idiots must think this is a good idea.

There is no real way to make this out to be anything other than a political stunt. And yes, this is designed to get to a predetermined conclusion as that will support a future argument about the original Grand Jury process.

In the end all that will happen, and there is no reason for any of those called to actually participate, is another excuse to burn down a store and loot the place.
 
There's no such thing as an impartial prosecuter.

I wonder if the jokers creating this kangaroo court would be ok with all white juries judging black folks. Oh, wait...we tried that. How did that work out?

By impartial I mean having a prosecutor who doesn't work with the people he is prosecuting. It isn't a difficult concept. Prosecutors need the support of their local police to do their job and the support of the police union when elections are involved. It is in the prosecutor's best interest not to get on the cops' bad sides.
 
Yes I am. Forget about this particular case for a moment. ALL cases in which the potential defendent is a police officer should be investigated and prosecuted by an outside body, regardless of the races of everyone involved. I really don't care about the Brown case anymore. I am interested in future cases.

So you mean every black man shot by white cops..

I am interested..black community say ''he was a good son..always went to church..loved his mother..worked tirelessly for charity..''

Yet..when I look these people up on facebook..there they are, usually posing with a gun or a knife, and wearing gang colors..

Which is it to be?
 
Yes I am. Forget about this particular case for a moment. ALL cases in which the potential defendent is a police officer should be investigated and prosecuted by an outside body, regardless of the races of everyone involved. I really don't care about the Brown case anymore. I am interested in future cases.

A GJ is an outside and independent body.
And since it is, an outside Prosecutor is not needed as the Prosecutors job is to enforce the law regardless if it is an Officer or not.
So back to the Wilson case. The was no impropriety or even the appearance of such, which is the only reason to bring in an outside Prosecutor.
 
There is no real way to make this out to be anything other than a political stunt. And yes, this is designed to get to a predetermined conclusion as that will support a future argument about the original Grand Jury process.

In the end all that will happen, and there is no reason for any of those called to actually participate, is another excuse to burn down a store and loot the place.

I would be pleasantly surprised if they came to the same conclusion as the real GJ did, but even if they did I doubt that would change anything.
 
Grand juries take their lead from the prosecutor. It is almost unheard of for GJs to go against the desires of the Prosecutor. It is not an adversarial system. The Prosecutor has full control of the reins, which is ok if the Prosecutor is impartial.

They do not take their lead from the prosecutor. Nor do they decide guilt or innocence. Their sole responsibiity is to decide whether or not the evidence is sufficient to bring the case to trial.

Grand juries are picked randomly from the jury pool. The prosecutor has no input into the selection process, nor does he have any for cause recusals available. Any prospect having connections to any of the principles in the case would be excused. The evidence, including the prosecutors arguments as to why the case should go forward, is examined, and the finding is made. IMO, that's about as impartial as the system can be made.

Since there are other ways for the prosecutor to bring a case to trial, the prosecutor is not apt to waste his or the GJ time in cases unlikely to be found winnable.
 
African-American grand jury to examine evidence in the Michael Brown shooting

ST. LOUIS, MO (KTVI) – African-American community leaders say they’re taking action to put justice back into the hands of black people. They say they will convene a black grand jury on January 3rd and 4th to look at the evidence in the Michael Brown shooting.

Those grand jury members will go over the evidence presented to the St. Louis County Grand Jury. They also say they will call Darren Wilson, County Prosecutor Bob McCulloch, Ferguson Mayor James Knowles and Governor Jay Nixon to testify.

“What it does is educates and informs our people that two bodies came together, examined the same set of evidence, and were able to come to different conclusions. Therefore, the only thing standing between us and our ability to carry out the will of the people is to change this relationship that exists between us and the armed state apparatus that controls us.” said Omali Ye****ela of the African People’s Socialist Party.

Regardless of the decision made by this grand jury, it will have no legal bearing on the case.​

African-American grand jury to examine evidence in the Michael Brown shooting | FOX2now.com


A predetermined conclusion? :doh
The idiots must think this is a good idea.

LOL !!

I'm sure they will be completely objective.

Its essentially a Kangaroo court and a waste of time.
 
Excon;1064086255[B said:
]I would be pleasantly surprised if they came to the same conclusion as the real GJ did[/B], but even if they did I doubt that would change anything.

That would be astonishing, as the purpose of an all Black mock up Grand Jury is to find the exact opposite.
 
By impartial I mean having a prosecutor who doesn't work with the people he is prosecuting. It isn't a difficult concept. Prosecutors need the support of their local police to do their job and the support of the police union when elections are involved. It is in the prosecutor's best interest not to get on the cops' bad sides.

Do you have any idea what the role of the prosecutor before the GJ is? He presents his reasons why the case should go forward. That's it. Done. Doesn't get to bring witnesses, doesn't cross examine witnesses, has no idea the names of the jurors.
 
I have confidence in the jury system. Every single person I personally have known who has served on a jury, including a federal jury, has been sober-minded, earnest, and thoughtful.
 
I have confidence in the jury system. Every single person I personally have known who has served on a jury, including a federal jury, has been sober-minded, earnest, and thoughtful.

You hit the sauce already today?
 
Yea cuz black people have been known to be fair and impartial
 
So really what you are saying is that a bunch of black people are going to investigate the crime..and find Michael Brown innocent..I can't see that changing anything..apart all those black people have just wasted their time!

What does Brown have to do with this?

The grand Jury was empaneled to decide if Wilson was guilty of something. There will be no finding of anything having to to do with Brown.
 
Well I don't believe this particular GJ they are putting together will be impartial.

But I believe a properly put together GJ and an outside Prosecutor would have resulted in an indictment. As for any following trial? I don't know. I am more concerned about the integrity of the system then the results of any particular case.

When you say "properly put together" do you mean that only certain people should be on a grand jury depending on who the defendant is?

Please define "properly put together"
 
Yea cuz black people have been known to be fair and impartial

If only they were fair and impartial like us white people, eh?
 
African-American grand jury to examine evidence in the Michael Brown shooting

ST. LOUIS, MO (KTVI) – African-American community leaders say they’re taking action to put justice back into the hands of black people. They say they will convene a black grand jury on January 3rd and 4th to look at the evidence in the Michael Brown shooting.

Those grand jury members will go over the evidence presented to the St. Louis County Grand Jury. They also say they will call Darren Wilson, County Prosecutor Bob McCulloch, Ferguson Mayor James Knowles and Governor Jay Nixon to testify.

“What it does is educates and informs our people that two bodies came together, examined the same set of evidence, and were able to come to different conclusions. Therefore, the only thing standing between us and our ability to carry out the will of the people is to change this relationship that exists between us and the armed state apparatus that controls us.” said Omali Ye****ela of the African People’s Socialist Party.

Regardless of the decision made by this grand jury, it will have no legal bearing on the case.​

African-American grand jury to examine evidence in the Michael Brown shooting | FOX2now.com


A predetermined conclusion? :doh
The idiots must think this is a good idea.

Never wonder what the mob is. This is it.
 
Never wonder what the mob is. This is it.

No, a mob is a group of people who generally does something violent or destructive. Setting up your own fake court proceedings does not qualify.

Alternatively, "mob" sometimes refers to organized crime, which this also does not fit.
 
No, a mob is a group of people who generally does something violent or destructive. Setting up your own fake court proceedings does not qualify.

Alternatively, "mob" sometimes refers to organized crime, which this also does not fit.

Its a gang that thinks it gets to decide what happens, facts or not. The op even stated they had already decided. Reality is subjective to these idiots. :lol:

Its what weve come to expect from the left, frankly.
 
Strange waste of time. Why review any facts? It would be faster simply to publish their conclusion and go back to work.
 
Strange waste of time. Why review any facts? It would be faster simply to publish their conclusion and go back to work.

ROFL..

He said, "Go back to work"

Bwuahahahahahahahaha.....
 
If only they were fair and impartial like us white people, eh?

12 percent of black people feel that the gj was fair in the darren wilson/brown case.

That seem fair and impartial to you?

Contrast that to 68 pct of white people.

And besides that, it wasnt a jury of white people,
 
ROFL..

He said, "Go back to work"

Bwuahahahahahahahaha.....

Hahahah because black people don't have jobs amirite guys?
 
Hahahah because black people don't have jobs amirite guys?

Not the ones who have spent months in the streets looting and pillaging.

Not the ones bussed into town to be agitators by organizations like the NAN
 
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