• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

Was there Al-Qaeda in Iraq before the US invaded? No. Was there after? Yes.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
We have to do what we are doing over there today, there is no real alternative at this point. However, we should not forget that had we never gone into Iraq back in 2003 and continued the policy of containment and thus left Saddam in power, there would be no ISIS today.

If you throw a grenade in an outhouse there is going to be **** everywhere, but lets not forget who the bunch were that wanted to do it in first place.
Click to expand...

And we would be fighting them somewhere else. In Iran or Egypt or Saudi Arabia. Thats because the enemy uses anything and everything as an excuse to murder people.
 
jonny5 said:
And we would be fighting them somewhere else. In Iran or Egypt or Saudi Arabia. Thats because the enemy uses anything and everything as an excuse to murder people.
Click to expand...

We would not be fighting ISIS. ISIS is a direct result of Al Qaeda in Iraq, an organization that did not exist until we went into Iraq. Basically the entire mess that is the Middle East today is all a direct result of our going into Iraq. That is a region that is only successfully pacified when brutal dictators are running things.
 
Glad to know the op takes isis statements for gospel. You are a great american
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
It's about what you get when you take down a dictator that was fully contained and in no way a threat to the United States. Had we never gone into Iraq, and just merely continued the policy of containment, there would be no ISIS today.
Click to expand...

That's hard to say. Given the turmoil in the Middle East, it's not unlikely that there would have been a revolt against Saddam Hussein that would then escalate into a sectarian civil war (similar to Syria) that would enable Sunni extremists to establish a foothold in Iraq.

Was invading Iraq a good policy choice? No. Did our invasion act as a catalyst for Sunni vs. Shia strife? Absolutely. But the causes of the rise of ISIS are much more complex than that; they can be traced to the deliberate sectarianism of Saddam and to the colonial boundaries that created artificial nation-states.
 
Last edited:
PoS said:
ISIS leader: "If there was no American prison in Iraq, there would be no ISIS"

Isis: the inside story | Martin Chulov | World news | The Guardian


There you go, straight from the horses' mouth. Pretty damning evidence that US foreign policy fuels the creation of terrorists.
Click to expand...


Anybody that's so pissed off about Abu Grhaib, that they e'masse a 30,000 man army, invade two countries and run around all over the place choppin off heads, is so twisted, they would have found any excuse and any excuse would do.

Reality check: this is propaganda. It's useful because know there are people in this country that will actually buy into it.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
We would not be fighting ISIS. ISIS is a direct result of Al Qaeda in Iraq, an organization that did not exist until we went into Iraq. Basically the entire mess that is the Middle East today is all a direct result of our going into Iraq. That is a region that is only successfully pacified when brutal dictators are running things.
Click to expand...
No, it is a result of removing the troops from the Middle East.
 
PoS said:
So ignore reality and studies that prove US foreign policy encourages terrorism for the sake of pseudo religious babble? Well, thats you.
Click to expand...

Terrorism needs no 'encouragement'. Terrorists exist because they are low life scum.
 
1750Texan said:
You believe what the devil tells you. He tells you what you want to hear to deceive you.

If you listen to the Devil you want and he wants.
Click to expand...

What about Secretary Rumsfeld who during the war and occupation poised the question: "Are we creating them faster than we are killing them?"
 
joko104 said:
What about Secretary Rumsfeld who during the war and occupation poised the question: "Are we creating them faster than we are killing them?"
Click to expand...
Do you have a link to this quote? It seems to me you are making it up or taking it out of context.
 
PoS said:
ISIS leader: "If there was no American prison in Iraq, there would be no ISIS"

Isis: the inside story | Martin Chulov | World news | The Guardian



There you go, straight from the horses' mouth. Pretty damning evidence that US foreign policy fuels the creation of terrorists.
Click to expand...

Nonsense

Terrorist are running rampant killing innocent Christians and because of a prison in Iraq ?

Was it the same Iraq prison that compelled 19 Hijackers to kill 3000 innocent Americans in 2001 ?

Oh wait, we didn't have a prison in Iraq then.

Was it a Iraq prison that led to the Beirut Marime barracks bombing ?

Its hard to believe there are people that buy s*** like this without a second thought.
 
Wiggen said:
Terrorism needs no 'encouragement'. Terrorists exist because they are low life scum.
Click to expand...

Terrorists aren't born, they are created.
 
Fenton said:
Nonsense

Terrorist are running rampant killing innocent Christians and because of a prison in Iraq ?

Was it the same Iraq prison that compelled 19 Hijackers to kill 3000 innocent Americans in 2001 ?

Oh wait, we didn't have a prison in Iraq then.

Was it a Iraq prison that led to the Beirut Marime barracks bombing ?

Its hard to believe there are people that buy s*** like this without a second thought.
Click to expand...

The ISIS leader is referring specifically to ISIS.
 
1750Texan said:
You believe what the devil tells you. He tells you what you want to hear to deceive you.

If you listen to the Devil you want and he wants.
Click to expand...

Is this how your Neocon side defends their position - religious nonsense?

Good to know.

Btw...isn't ISIS full of people spouting religious nonsense also?

America invades countries, kidnaps, tortures, bombs civilians and detains innocent people without charge indefinitely. ISIS does the same thing (minus the bombing - they have no air force to speak of) - but they behead them also (Saudi Arabia beheads as well - but Neocons don't wish to talk about that). Neocons praise their God. ISIS praises theirs. They both sound like they are spouting hate-filled, jibberish to me.

Neocons are FAR more of a threat to America and American lives then all of the terrorists in the world combined.
 
Meister said:
There ya go.....it didn't. Yet the terrorists were there. They don't need a reason other than the fact that the world isn't all muslim.
It's strange that you would give credence to what a terrorist would say. They will say anything
Click to expand...

So the reason the terrorists kidnapped and killed Israeli's was because they were not Muslims?

Okaaaaaaaaaaay.
 
Last edited:
DA60 said:
Is this how your Neocon side defends their position - religious nonsense?

Good to know.

Btw...isn't ISIS full of people spouting religious nonsense also?

America invades countries, kidnaps, tortures, bombs civilians and detains innocent people without charge indefinitely. ISIS does the same thing (minus the bombing - they have no air force to speak of) - but they behead them also (Saudi Arabia beheads as well - but Neocons don't wish to talk about that). Neocons praise their God. ISIS praises theirs. They both sound like they are spouting hate-filled, jibberish to me.

Neocons are FAR more of a threat to America and American lives then all of the terrorists in the world combined.
Click to expand...
****ing pathetic equivalency.
 
Yeah Right, message to ISIS and their so called leaders.....and if a frog had wings it wouldn't hit its ass when it hops. Now STFU!!!!!
 
DA60 said:
So the reason the terrorists kidnapped and killed Israeli's was because they were not Muslims?

Okaaaaaaaaaaay.
Click to expand...

That wasn't the point, the point was that terrorists were there and it wasn't about the US.
But now that you mentioned it.....do you think they would have killed them if they were muslim?

hmmmmm?
 
PoS said:
ISIS leader: "If there was no American prison in Iraq, there would be no ISIS"

Isis: the inside story | Martin Chulov | World news | The Guardian



There you go, straight from the horses' mouth. Pretty damning evidence that US foreign policy fuels the creation of terrorists.
Click to expand...

Detaining them instead of executing them as the illegal combatants they were was the failure of foreign policy. And I'm glad we figured that out and are now just droning them instead of worrying about capturing them. That's a step in the right direction and one of the few things that I think Obama has gotten right. Just vaporize their miserable asses and you don't have to worry about petty political rants about the evils of pouring water on their faces. Just shoot, shovel and shut up. Then liberals don't complain.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom