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ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

j-mac said:
No way he'd capitalize on something like...oh....I don't know, say a report that outlines America as responsible for his actions or something?
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I'm disappointed that you didn't call anyone a ***** in this post. You were on a real hot streak there.
 
Fearandloathing said:
no one I have seen anywhere have tried to blame the US for the ideology.

FFS, stay on point.


Once again as simply as I can, the issue is the creation of an Islamic state, the furthest extreme of terrorists to date, a base for further revenge against their enemies.

That, according to the OP, grew directly out of Abu Graib. Differ with the head of ISIS if you like, he was there and you were not
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Their 'enemies' are anyone who is not Muslim, though they can be included as well.

Minor incidents like Abu Ghraib, blown out of all proportion as torture, etc., serves only as a propaganda tool and an excuse to carry out further attacks on the West. There are many incidents Islamists can point to which will be used to justify their attacks and that's just one of them. Of course the main Islamist justification for murdering innocent people has always been Israel, but history could provide dozens of slights.

Of course Western democracies, using similar criteria, could drop bombs all over Muslim countries, but we don't. The difference in why we don't and they do should be obvious..
 
Grant said:
Their 'enemies' are anyone who is not Muslim, though they can be included as well.

Minor incidents like Abu Ghraib, blown out of all proportion as torture, etc., serves only as a propaganda tool and an excuse to carry out further attacks on the West. There are many incidents Islamists can point to which will be used to justify their attacks and that's just one of them. Of course the main Islamist justification for murdering innocent people has always been Israel, but history could provide dozens of slights.

Of course Western democracies, using similar criteria, could drop bombs all over Muslim countries, but we don't. The difference in why we don't and they do should be obvious..
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Please supply a link to those claims.

The right has consistently denied the contents of the report with hearsay.

In the meantime, that report is having serious repercussions in allied countries...who appear to believe the contents..

CIA torture report: U.K. wants redacted interrogation material - World - CBC News


It is being taken as true in Canada, where Stephen Harper is going to have to do some explaining..

CIA torture report: Why Canada can't claim innocence - CBC News - Latest Canada, World, Entertainment and Business News

So, world governments believe the contents and are talking action, the US right is denying the contents and saying it's all ideological......

So, either there is truth in the contents, which have long ago been shared with allies, or the Obama administration has hoodwinked some of the top analysts who have had first hand information for years, or they are in on it.

That's edging on a conspiracy theory.
 
j-mac said:
Why yes, because the 7th century liars, and beheaders would never lie about anything....:roll: Man you guys just lap it up don't you?
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Yeah, I'd personally prefer that we never had to have any contact with them whatsoever, and would be happy to just let them go on killing each other over tribal differences, and block all immigration from that region of the world, but unfortunately, we can't do that. Many people don't seem to understand that regardless of our foreign policy, they'd find something to hate over.
 
Wiggen said:
Which takes in much of the Far Left, who blames America for every evil the world has ever known. They are predictable, but even I am surprised that when it comes down to a choice between ISIS and America, they choose ISIS. I probably shouldn't be, however, given their past history.
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Im not shocked. Liberals are full retard america haters these days. They are part of a faction that wants to see another country stand on the same soil that the united states sits on today. They want that country to be a liberal utopia, not realizing it would either collapse or be conquered
 
Fearandloathing said:
Please supply a link to those claims.
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Claims similar to Abu Ghraib? Why bother with minor instances? They could be any number of inconsequential events but you shouldn't need them in order to get the point.
The right has consistently denied the contents of the report with hearsay.
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Lets not get into the left/right thing when national security is involved.
In the meantime, that report is having serious repercussions in allied countries...who appear to believe the contents..
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They will make any public statements that will highlight their moral superiority. That's the way the game is played.
CIA torture report: U.K. wants redacted interrogation material - World - CBC News
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Well yes, they would say that.
It is being taken as true in Canada, where Stephen Harper is going to have to do some explaining..
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Explaining about what? To the CBC?? Of course Canada cannot be 'innocent' in their eyes. The media publicly moralizes but most will ignore it.
So, world governments believe the contents and are talking action, the US right is denying the contents and saying it's all ideological......
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Who really cares what these 'world governments' say? They understand the way the game is played. Meanwhile media like the CBC will continue to blow wind as though they matter.
So, either there is truth in the contents, which have long ago been shared with allies, or the Obama administration has hoodwinked some of the top analysts who have had first hand information for years, or they are in on it.
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They are probably in on it, as are all world governments. It is a political document and released by the Democrats as such. It will be ignored by all serious people, and is already becoming yesterday's news.
That's edging on a conspiracy theory.
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It is what it is. A report designed and made public by some Democrats who are using it for political reasons. It's not designed to enlighten or change anyone's mind. It's a report designed for the same audience the more leftist Democrats have always attracted.
 
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PoS said:
ISIS leader: "If there was no American prison in Iraq, there would be no ISIS"

Isis: the inside story | Martin Chulov | World news | The Guardian



There you go, straight from the horses' mouth. Pretty damning evidence that US foreign policy fuels the creation of terrorists.
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You're taking the word of a man who twists the words of a book to justifiy a campaign of rape/sexual slavery of women (young and old), beheadings and destruction of historical religious sites/materials?
 
Sabanist said:
Im not shocked. Liberals are full retard america haters these days. They are part of a faction that wants to see another country stand on the same soil that the united states sits on today. They want that country to be a liberal utopia, not realizing it would either collapse or be conquered
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You see, you make the same mistake all Far Right people make. You equate liberals with the Far Left. I'm a liberal and I posted the frickin' message!
 
Roadvirus said:
You're taking the word of a man who twists the words of a book to justifiy a campaign of rape/sexual slavery of women (young and old), beheadings and destruction of historical religious sites/materials?
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It gives you some idea of how crazy these America haters are.
 
Grant said:
Claims similar to Abu Ghraib? Why bother with minor instances? They could be any number of inconsequential events but you shouldn't need them in order to get the point.Lets not get into the left/right thing when national security is involved.They will make any public statements that will highlight their moral superiority. That's the way the game is played.
Well yes, they would say that.Explaining about what? To the CBC?? Of course Canada cannot be 'innocent' in their eyes. The media publicly moralizes but most will ignore it.Who really cares what these 'world governments' say? They understand the way the game is played. Meanwhile media like the CBC will continue to blow wind as though they matter.
They are probably in on it, as are all world governments. It is a political document and released by the Democrats as such. It will be ignored by all serious people, and is already becoming yesterday's news.
It is what it is. A report designed and made public by some Democrats who are using it for political reasons. It's not designed to enlighten or change anyone's mind. It's a report designed for the same audience the more leftist Democrats have always attracted.
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The poster you quoted is an interesting guy. I've figured out what he 'Loathes' - all western democracies but especially America. I haven't quite figured out what he 'Fears' yet.
 
Wiggen said:
The poster you quoted is an interesting guy. I've figured out what he 'Loathes' - all western democracies but especially America. I haven't quite figured out what he 'Fears' yet.
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I figured he was just a Hunter Thompson fan.
 
Grant said:
I figured he was just a Hunter Thompson fan.
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Yeah, me too. Until I read some of his anti-American bull****. He's a member in good standing of the America Sucks crowd.
 
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