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Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

Misterveritis said:
What do you mean "Official" declaration of war? The Congress voted to approve the use of force. That is a declaration of war. The Congress also funded the war. It has their approval.

We have no obligation to treat this nation's external enemies as if they were citizens. We have plenty of enemy within the nation. We call them Democrats.

An unlawful enemy combatant is one who is fighting in civilian clothes with no badges of rank. When caught the captor owes you a length of rope or a bullet.
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No, the last time we declared war was WWII
 
earthworm said:
Nothing cute , only disgusting ! This whole thing, going back centuries, ..our hatred, intolerance, against minorities and foreigners ..
Shame on US ! Its high time we licked our wounds and started to act with maturity and dignity ..
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Why do you hate minorities and foreigners?
 
Jack Hays said:
In this context another mass casualty attack in the US would constitute a defeat.
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No it could not. And all that was required to stop the last one, was to have the two agencies talk to each other. No report has said invading anyone will stop it, or that torturing anyone will stop it, or that being immoral and more like terrorist will stop it.
 
Boo Radley said:
No it could not. And all that was required to stop the last one, was to have the two agencies talk to each other. No report has said invading anyone will stop it, or that torturing anyone will stop it, or that being immoral and more like terrorist will stop it.
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You seem to put a lot of faith in 'reports' and easily accept their contents. Is this really a good idea?
 
Grant said:
You seem to put a lot of faith in 'reports' and easily accept their contents. Is this really a good idea?
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Reports and logic, yes. I put them over your immoral "want be like terrorist" stance. Again, prove lives were saved.
 
Ahlevah said:
If only it were more so, but thankfully our Nobel Peace Prize-winning, rule-of-law president knows how to use a missile. The latest:



It would have been fitting had the attack occurred on September 11th, but I'll settle for December 7th.
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I can recognize lip service when I see and hear it. So it's so--the government does use 'lip service' as a common tool of manipulating the audience.
 
Ikari said:
They didn't reject anything, they went in functionally as imperial police occupying force and called it "war". Unlawful combat is a term defined, but we don't know that everyone in Gitmo is because there's no oversight to check. Which is what I said. You just need to actually read instead of responding emotionally to arguments you've imagined in your head.
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We were attacked on 9/11. We counterattacked. That's war. Our enemies today killed over 100 school children. That's who we're fighting.
 
Boo Radley said:
No it could not. And all that was required to stop the last one, was to have the two agencies talk to each other. No report has said invading anyone will stop it, or that torturing anyone will stop it, or that being immoral and more like terrorist will stop it.
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We have not been attacked since 9/11 because our countermeasures were effective. And no, more interagency communication would not have stopped 9/11.
 
Jack Hays said:
We were attacked on 9/11. We counterattacked. That's war. Our enemies today killed over 100 school children. That's who we're fighting.
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I'm pretty sure the definition of 'counterattack' doesnt mean 'swinging wildly at anything that faintly resembles an attacker', which would be a good description of the war on Iraq.
 
Threegoofs said:
I'm pretty sure the definition of 'counterattack' doesnt mean 'swinging wildly at anything that faintly resembles an attacker', which would be a good description of the war on Iraq.
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Iraq was not our counterattack. Iraq was a war of choice. Afghanistan was our counterattack.
 
Jack Hays said:
We were attacked on 9/11. We counterattacked. That's war. Our enemies today killed over 100 school children. That's who we're fighting.
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Iraq didn't attack us. In fact, the majority of those folk were from Saudi Arabia. So...who are you fighting now? I mean, yes, we've made the environment that allows terrorist organizations to thrive to the point that they can organize to kill 100+ school kids, but that's not really a good thing.
 
Jack Hays said:
Iraq was not our counterattack. Iraq was a war of choice. Afghanistan was our counterattack.
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Yeah...probably should have thought that one out a bit better and actually acted to solve this problem instead of proliferate it.
 
Ikari said:
Iraq didn't attack us. In fact, the majority of those folk were from Saudi Arabia. So...who are you fighting now? I mean, yes, we've made the environment that allows terrorist organizations to thrive to the point that they can organize to kill 100+ school kids, but that's not really a good thing.
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Iraq was a war of choice. I was referring to Afghanistan, where we have been fighting Al Qaeda and the Taliban, the people who killed over 100 school children today.
 
Jack Hays said:
Iraq was a war of choice. I was referring to Afghanistan, where we have been fighting Al Qaeda and the Taliban, the people who killed over 100 school children today.
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Didn't seem to do a good job then, seeing as that war started...what 13 years ago? And in 13 years we couldn't improve things enough to prevent 100 kids being killed.

Probably should think through our actions a bit better, yes?
 
Jack Hays said:
Your comment is too vague to respond to.
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Is it? This current operation is going on for 13 years. We have decade upon decade of intervention, including military intervention, before this. Where are we at? Is terrorism beaten, or stronger than ever? Decades of this path, decades. Where do we stand?
 
Ikari said:
Didn't seem to do a good job then, seeing as that war started...what 13 years ago? And in 13 years we couldn't improve things enough to prevent 100 kids being killed.

Probably should think through our actions a bit better, yes?
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Our objective was to prevent another attack on the US. That was accomplished.
 
Ikari said:
Is it? This current operation is going on for 13 years. We have decade upon decade of intervention, including military intervention, before this. Where are we at? Is terrorism beaten, or stronger than ever? Decades of this path, decades. Where do we stand?
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George W. Bush warned at the outset this war would be a matter of decades, perhaps generations. That's why DoD called it "The Long War."
 
Jack Hays said:
Our objective was to prevent another attack on the US. That was accomplished.
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Mmmm, and that was clearly because of this action. Not because attacks on our soil were rare to begin with. Interesting.
 
Jack Hays said:
George W. Bush warned at the outset this war would be a matter of decades, perhaps generations. That's why DoD called it "The Long War."
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How many more decades? How many more dollars? How many more American lives till you're satisfied?

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different outcome. History has shown what this path leads to, and it's not resolution.
 
Ikari said:
How many more decades? How many more dollars? How many more American lives till you're satisfied?

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different outcome. History has shown what this path leads to, and it's not resolution.
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Thats the problem. His grasp of history is a bit... shaky.
 
Ikari said:
Iraq didn't attack us. In fact, the majority of those folk were from Saudi Arabia. So...who are you fighting now? I mean, yes, we've made the environment that allows terrorist organizations to thrive to the point that they can organize to kill 100+ school kids, but that's not really a good thing.
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Islamists attacked the US and Islamists are in the news again today. You don't understand that this is international, huh?
 
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