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Interrogation is not torture.
The terms are not mutually exclusive, you know.
Interrogation is not torture.
Giving rights to enemies now? Great idea... :roll:
The terms are not mutually exclusive, you know.
Great care was taken to ensure that that the detainees' health and well being were not permanently impaired. They were nonetheless unlawful enemy combatants with no right to Geneva Conventions protections. In that context, everything done to them that fell short of summary execution was an act of charity.
Many were indeed picked up on the battlefield. Most of the rest were captured in raids on identified combatant centers.The problem is, how do we know they are "unlawful enemy combatants"? They weren't all picked up on some battlefield.
Many were indeed picked up on the battlefield. Most of the rest were captured in raids on identified combatant centers.
Right. Our interrogations were not torture. Did that clear it up a bit for you?
Some were, but there's no mechanism that would allow us to assess it. Someone just had to say "that guy's a terrorist" and poof.
That's why we need these checks and balances, we need to make sure who we throw in Gitmo are the folk we think they are.
This was war, not law enforcement.
Where's the official Declaration of War? So you're saying that if we claim "war" (this is an imperial police action, though, not war), we get to do whatever we want with those we deem to be "unlawful combatants"? Seems maybe not something a Republic based on the Freedoms and Liberties of the individual would do.
Yes, it's war, and no declaration was/is necessary.
So very convenient. You get to define "war", you get to define "unlawful combatant" and based on your definitions, you get to do whatever you want to a human being without regard to right or morality.
Not how an advanced and civilized society behaves, but certainly has its roots in our Ape past. This is what it means to disgrace our flag.
I doubt that you will ever know.The problem is, how do we know they are "unlawful enemy combatants"? They weren't all picked up on some battlefield.
Where's the official Declaration of War? So you're saying that if we claim "war" (this is an imperial police action, though, not war), we get to do whatever we want with those we deem to be "unlawful combatants"? Seems maybe not something a Republic based on the Freedoms and Liberties of the individual would do.
So very convenient. You get to define "war", you get to define "unlawful combatant" and based on your definitions, you get to do whatever you want to a human being without regard to right or morality.
Not how an advanced and civilized society behaves, but certainly has its roots in our Ape past. This is what it means to disgrace our flag.
You and Dick Cheney seem to be the only people under that delusion.
Your opinion, Misterveritis, your sick opinion, Mr Conservative... And I am certain that there are a great many more on your side.... We are far from being a civilized nation ...maybe another 500 years ..Well, good. Two of us are on the right side of history. You are not.
Since I'm not right wing your generalization fails. There were some mistakes, as always happens in war. Those do not invalidate the general proposition. The language of human rights has become has become nothing more than a political tool in our hypocritical age.
You may be interested in watching an interview with the man who headed the interrogation of the 9\11 terrorists. It's riveting, and please watch it to the end.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zpIGr8w85YRight, independent, an embarrassed republican.
I'm really not sure what your point is in this discussion. You've pointed out many times that one can't compare our interrogation program with that of the Japanese and others, which is true. We did have medical personnel on hand most of the time, and few died, and that's not an accident. So why is that? I like to think it's because we're a fundamentally decent people, most especially including our troops.
So it's odd that you'll point out the examples that prove we ARE at some level, and certainly at the ground level, 'better' in some fundamental way than the Japanese or Nazis or jihadists, and then dismiss any discussion of what is at the core of those differences. I don't think the core is we're better because we ran a little less brutal interrogation program than they did. It should be we fundamentally reject the idea of a legitimate torture program in every way based on some notion of human rights, not that we ran one that is different in kind but not in substance - we fit ours in a legal box.
Right, independent, an embarrassed republican.
I'm really not sure what your point is in this discussion. You've pointed out many times that one can't compare our interrogation program with that of the Japanese and others, which is true. We did have medical personnel on hand most of the time, and few died, and that's not an accident. So why is that? I like to think it's because we're a fundamentally decent people, most especially including our troops.
So it's odd that you'll point out the examples that prove we ARE at some level, and certainly at the ground level, 'better' in some fundamental way than the Japanese or Nazis or jihadists, and then dismiss any discussion of what is at the core of those differences. I don't think the core is we're better because we ran a little less brutal interrogation program than they did. It should be we fundamentally reject the idea of a legitimate torture program in every way based on some notion of human rights, not that we ran one that is different in kind but not in substance - we fit ours in a legal box.
That won't be easy given the number of leftists the schools are turning out.Nothing cute , only disgusting ! This whole thing, going back centuries, ..our hatred, intolerance, against minorities and foreigners ..
Shame on US ! Its high time we licked our wounds and started to act with maturity and dignity ..
That won't be easy given the number of leftists the schools are turning out.
The GWB administration rejected the law enforcement model and adopted the warfare model specifically to free themselves from the constraints imposed by preparing cases for trial. "Unlawful combatant" is a recognized term in international law and our adversaries certainly qualified. You need to study this issue.
I doubt that you will ever know.
We have no reason to keep anyone who is not a threat. Many thousands were captured. How many ended up in secret prisons? Less than 200? How many had harsh interrogations? Less than one hundred? How many experienced near drowning? Three.