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Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

No, we just did things we called torture when done TO us or our allies, but clearly is NOT "torture" when done BY us. It's just "enhanced interrogation" or preferably "EIT" which of course carries with it none of the unnecessary, heavy moral baggage of 'torture.' Hey, it's not just interrogation, it's "enhanced!" Like an 'enhanced' food product! New and improved! Thank you Orwell for showing us the way!! (with an assist from Nazi propagandists, H/T to someone else who posted that earlier)

BTW, anyone know if Frank Luntz poll tested 'enhanced interrogation?'

You do realize you have it completely wrong when Kobie likes it, don't you?

We made people uncomfortable. We did it so they would tell us what they knew about future attacks. You do remember what happened on September 11? Did you go to the streets and pass out candy to the children?
 
Of course many of those 'protecting our behind' are/were disgusted by the torture/detention program. They believe in what America stands for and it's not that.

Of course. And you do have long lists of names no doubt.

People forget so easily. And the anti-Americans, the real America haters are the quickest at "forgetting".

Feinstein intentionally hurt the nation and you stand with the traitor.
 
13 years, with no evidence that he was a combatant. The war ended in October. That's what I'm saying, kill him or let him go, holding him indefinitely for no given reason is wrong.

The war ended? Really? Did WE surrender? The Islamofascists are still at it.
 
Who cares what a murdering terrorist thinks of what “shames the U.S. flag”?

Right, because everyone charged with a crime is automatically guilty. :roll:

What a crock!
 
1. That you are opposing anything the previous administration did with detainees, yet don't want to discuss this one on droning...You say you're against it but don't even know the simplest of numbers on who was effected...

Jasper stated he is against drone strikes. What more do you honestly need to hear from him other than he doesn't support drone strikes.

2. Is that so? I don't see it much

I can't speak for Jasper on the matter, but if you can cite your sources it would help your case.

3. The Islamists you seem to be supporting all over this thread.

Care to clarify this statement? Because from what I can tell from Jasper's posts he isn't supporting Islamists Whatever the hell that means.
 
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Why do so many of you pretend this is about crimes or potential crimes? The people being held are unlawful combatants. The only right they have is to determine whether they are detainees or unlawful combatants. After that, if they cooperate and give us useful information let them live. Otherwise kill them.

You don't know they're unlawful combatants.
 
We need to stop worrying about what they might do to us, and make them worry every day about what we are going to do to them. If it takes area bombing of cities where the sympathetic locals are tolerating or even harboring them, then so be it. I believe a lot of civilians in Muslim countries are sympathetic to these bastards, and they should be made to appreciate the consequences of siding with war criminals who are bent on destroying us.
Many of the criminals are already here. Look at how many side with Feinstein.

I do believe we should inform the Islamist countries with historical mosques that we will destroy every mosque if they do not bring their Islamofascist brethren under control. Then do it. Have a Week of Retribution where we destroy every single mosque and other religious site in night after night of attacks until none are left.
 
Many of the criminals are already here. Look at how many side with Feinstein.

What position does Feinstein hold that makes "criminals" side with her?

I do believe we should inform the Islamist countries with historical mosques that we will destroy every mosque if they do not bring their Islamofascist brethren under control. Then do it. Have a Week of Retribution where we destroy every single mosque and other religious site in night after night of attacks until none are left.

So the best way to combat Terrorism is to commit terrorism? Wonderful idea right there...
 
Anti-American propagandists also routinely cite that 180+ figure to mislead.
Agreed.
Detailed descriptions of all the enhanced interrogation techniques are available online, and anyone who troubles to read them knows that what was being counted there was every single trial on the subject--each of which usually lasted about 15-20 seconds.
I watched two. Both lasted less than 20 seconds.

Only so many of these could be conducted in any one session, only so many minutes of sessions per day, and so on. And a doctor had to be right there in the room monitoring everything. This coward was subjected to repeated, severe discomfort, and when he'd gotten enough of it, he changed his tune and began to give up his fellow cowards.
Yes. People really do not like being uncomfortable or knowing that this afternoon they are likely to be uncomfortable again.

The only mistake was in not trying and executing him as soon as he'd told all he knew. He continues to draw breath thirteen years after masterminding an attack meant to decapitate the government of the United States, conspiring to murder almost three thousand people in the process. What sort of jellyfish have we become, that we let this son of a bitch live?
I agree that we should kill him. My personal favorite is to throw him over the side of your favorite naval vessel somewhere in the Atlantic ocean near the Equator. Let him swim to his favorite country.
 
Well they get funding from somewhere - if not the Saudis then who?

The rest makes no sense to me. How can a group like ISIS have oil fields? They might control them temporarily, but they're not yet a country.
Sigh. They have control of oil fields. Do I really give you far more credit than is due?
 
Home made Sangria here.
Only one large glass, lots of ice.
I gotta maintain my sense of decorum as well as my equilibrium.

Yes. I do make my own. And sometimes others come by to learn. Patti's Red Grapefruit Wine is the best one I have ever made. It will be very good in six more months. This evening I drank the dregs from bottling the rest a week ago.
 
Ah, so you are not an actual medical doctor. You simply play one on the Internet. Thanks for playing!

Are you suggesting that one can digest food if forced through the rectum?

Although at this point I can see why you would think that. Mainly due to all the sht coming out of your mouth.
 
"McCain is all about McCain. He needs to leave the stage. He is a troll and he supports traitors. I cannot say if torture was involved. I have not read the report. I tend to doubt it. Either way Feinstein is a traitor and should be charged with treason for her act."

Citations, mother of god citations please.

Do I have to write this elsewhere and then quote myself?

Feinstein's report will harm our relationships with countries who supported us. She had destroyed the CIA for at least two generations. She needs to be charged with treason. She needs to be tried and I would like to see her execution as a traitor televised.

Now what citation would you like? Shall I reference this message?
 
OK, so you're on board with torture. Nice to know you have that in common with the late Saddam! I hope you're proud!
You are welcome to your interpretation. Interrogations are not intended to be pleasant.

I am pretty pleased to be me. You see, I progressed from childhood into adulthood. I encourage you to do the same.
 
Just curious - I suppose that is the system you'd be satisfied with for U.S. detainees? After all, if another country accuses them, then they (the U.S. citizen) is surely guilty and should be summarily tried in a kangaroo court and executed. Right?
You are not curious.

Where were the individuals captured? Were they waging war against the "host" country? Were they in uniform and was the war declared? If so they are Prisoners of War and must be treated humanely. Anything else is an act of war. Under an actual leader we might go to war to resolve such a travesty.

You show yourself as one unschooled.
 
Just curious - I suppose that is the system you'd be satisfied with for U.S. detainees? After all, if another country accuses them, then they (the U.S. citizen) is surely guilty and should be summarily tried in a kangaroo court and executed. Right?

No US adversary since WW2 has treated US captives decently. We have nothing left to lose on that score.
 
But as far as I can tell, our obligation to determine if someone we hold actually did something wrong approaches zero.
Who has said that? We retained very few people of the larger numbers we captured in or near battlefields.

Certainly you haven't supported any actual process to determine such a thing that we'd recognize as a trial.
Why do you foolishly believe this is a criminal proceeding? It is not. A captured person is a detainee until his status is changed to unlawful combatant or he is released. Most were released.

So my assumption is if that American is accused, he obviously did something wrong, end of inquiry, or that would be the case if we followed the suggestions of the right wingers on this thread.
I cannot fathom the twisted thinking of a liberal. It is almost as if we have had no history prior to the moment that liberal opened his eyes.

We have no interest in holding people that were not waging war against us.
 
"McCain is all about McCain. He needs to leave the stage. He is a troll and he supports traitors. I cannot say if torture was involved. I have not read the report. I tend to doubt it. Either way Feinstein is a traitor and should be charged with treason for her act."



Do I have to write this elsewhere and then quote myself?

Are you dense, cite me your source on McCain and Feinstein being traitors to the country. If you can't do that, everyone is well within their rights to dismiss your McCarthyism garbage.


Feinstein's report will harm our relationships with countries who supported us.

What will do more damage to our international relationships, the fact we torture people, or the report that shows that we torture people?

She had destroyed the CIA for at least two generations.

How so?

She needs to be charged with treason. She needs to be tried and I would like to see her execution as a traitor televised.

Oh awesome, you're not only delusional but you are also a sociopath. Lovely.

Now what citation would you like? Shall I reference this message?

You know full well what I want citations for. Show your sources on how McCain and Feinstein committed treason.
 
Overreaching will continue, regardless of who's in the White House.
Give government a program, no matter how lofty it's goals may appear--- e.g. "keeping us safe" , and it will be abused.
Have you noticed most of our fears are created by government? You have people who are Hell bent on causing chaos, death and destruction to this country.
Instead of securing the borders as the Constitution requires, we now have 11 million people who entered this country illegally. We don't know anything about many of them. They could be mass murderers to members of some terrorist organization so the situation creates fear.
None of them went through the normal health physical that legal immigrants do so that too creates fear.
The 9/11 attacks were carried out by those who were here on expired visas. The government has done nothing to reform our policies in regard to visas and not too long ago it was reported that there are thousands of foreigners in this country on expired visas and the government has lost track of them which creates fear.
You have this current administration along with the UN pushing an agenda that fossil fuels are creating too much carbon and we are doomed if we continue to use it which creates fear.
Fear is a very powerful tool for governments to obtain power they should not possess. Especially a society who claims freedom. Because when people live in fear they are more likely to relinquish their liberty and freedom to have a false sense of security. And I would venture to say where fear is being propagated it is by design to further chip away at liberty and freedom.

But one can not leave out the ones that propagandizes the fear factor and that is our media. And when a media has a political agenda instead of just reporting the news you have a very dangerous situation.
 
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