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Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

I'm sure "they" (if you mean veterans) have wide and varying opinions on the subject, including the report and its release.

Well, I would keep watch with the Media and see how those numbers look.
 
Leftists certainly don;t complain much about these continuing stonings and beheadings. In fact to raise the question is to be called "Islamophobic".

BS. But it's a nice fantasy - hope it makes your day better to believe such nonsense.
 
Well there is a plus side.....there are a few countries that can talk. The rest not so much.

Funny thing is.....I doubt we will hear from them.

Dying for American depravity doesn't have the same ring to it.
 
So what? They were fighting for a country that incarcerates six innocent people in Gitmo for five years, then releases them in South America, never having filed charges. They gave up their lives for a country that allows a captive to freeze to death chained to a concrete floor in the Salt Pit in Afghanistan, then note in passing that his rendition was a case of mistaken identity.
The country did that??

What did the cause this guy was fighting for do?
 
People of a certain political persuasion now believe the terrorists while attacking their own elected government who protected them from terrorists. This goes well beyond stupid.


First of all, "attacking our own elected government" is a national pastime, so I'm not exactly sure what your point is there. And one of our cherished rights, and in fact an obligation of a citizen, is to highlight wrongdoing by that elected government. So you must be making some other point. And I've certainly seen no attack on the people who fight on our behalf, except for very limited 'attacks' on policy decisions by those at the very top. That's as American as apple pie. If not, then I sure hope we have a enforced policy on here that attacks on the CIC are out of bounds!

Finally, we don't necessarily "believe" "the terrorists." What did a "terrorist" say that we "believe" that we should not? I will say I don't believe (without support) a lot of what the CIA says because they have a history of lying, which is of course a downside to lying. Even when you're telling the truth, your word means little...
 
Is anybody really taking the advice of GITMO inmates?

Not really. Most of what he said has been independently confirmed, or at least repeatedly and consistently alleged by many individuals held in GITMO, for quite a while.
 
So you're not familiar with the term 'Islamophobic' and its uses. You're not alone.

Sure, I'm familiar with the term, and when used correctly it's applied to people like the wingnuts in GA who equate Muslim with "terrorist" and therefore protested a small group with absolutely no links to 'terrorists" establishing a prayer center in a local strip mall.
 
Your enemy is certainly amused by that attitude.

What 'examples' have impressed your enemies thus far?

They behead Americans and other foreigners they capture and have been doing it for years, while Americans complain about terrorists having to watch pornography and will again turn on themselves, just as we see on these related threads.


I could say they are much more amused by the fact they've kept us in a war on terror for over 13 years costing us billions of dollars while not stopping the ideology that's been spread all over but I can't really speak for our enemies amusement factor as much as you seem to be able to. Oh wait 'my' enemy not 'ours' because they are not yours as well?
 
First of all, "attacking our own elected government" is a national pastime, so I'm not exactly sure what your point is there.
In a time of war it might be wise to not take the side of those who want to kill you ahd your fellow citizens. There was not much cheering for the Nazis during WWll. Baseball was the national pastime then, not the idea of criminalizing your elected leaders who successfully defended the American people.

And one of our cherished rights, and in fact an obligation of a citizen, is to highlight wrongdoing by that elected government.
It is selective wrongdoing and done completely along partisan lines. There is no high road here in case you're looking for one.
So you must be making some other point. And I've certainly seen no attack on the people who fight on our behalf, except for very limited 'attacks' on policy decisions by those at the very top. That's as American as apple pie. If not, then I sure hope we have a enforced policy on here that attacks on the CIC are out of bounds!
There is no 'out of bounds' but there should be some thought, intelligence and understanding of what went on and what is going on. All that is being played is domestic political games designed for the 'stupids' Gruber referred to, and they are still carrying the ball.
Finally, we don't necessarily "believe" "the terrorists." What did a "terrorist" say that we "believe" that we should not? I will say I don't believe (without support) a lot of what the CIA says because they have a history of lying, which is of course a downside to lying. Even when you're telling the truth, your word means little...
So you can't tell the difference between the CIA lying and the terrorists lying. Seems you are in a difficult situation, and there are millions like you who just don't know what to think or believe anymore. The terrorists, on the other hand, know what to believe and don't share your confusion at all..In fact they are willing to sacrifice their lives for their beliefs and are trained to tell lies to the gullible Americans. But you don't know any of this, right?
 
In a time of war it might be wise to not take the side of those who want to kill you ahd your fellow citizens. There was not much cheering for the Nazis during WWll. Baseball was the national pastime then, not the idea of criminalizing your elected leaders who successfully defended the American people.

It is selective wrongdoing and done completely along partisan lines. There is no high road here in case you're looking for one. There is no 'out of bounds' but there should be some thought, intelligence and understanding of what went on and what is going on. All that is being played is domestic political games designed for the 'stupids' Gruber referred to, and they are still carrying the ball.
So you can't tell the difference between the CIA lying and the terrorists lying. Seems you are in a difficult situation, and there are millions like you who just don't know what to think or believe anymore. The terrorists, on the other hand, know what to believe and don't share your confusion at all..In fact they are willing to sacrifice their lives for their beliefs and are trained to tell lies to the gullible Americans. But you don't know any of this, right?

I only hope they weren't forced to eat brussel sprouts..the b*stards!!
 
I could say they are much more amused by the fact they've kept us in a war on terror for over 13 years costing us billions of dollars while not stopping the ideology that's been spread all over but I can't really speak for our enemies amusement factor as much as you seem to be able to. Oh wait 'my' enemy not 'ours' because they are not yours as well?
This ideology is much older than 13 years and an America divided will never win anything. The credit card is maxed and the American people are confused and leaderless. More Mosques will be built and more Americans will die as the war comes closer to home. Meanwhile it is their own government many Americans will be reacting against.

Yes, these are our enemies, and the enemies of all democracies.
 
People who are defending this kind of conduct are sick.
 
Dying for American depravity doesn't have the same ring to it.

How about Americans dying for some other country that isn't even their own. Called on for help due to those not being able to handle whatever problem they have.

Is that good enough?
 
Not really. Most of what he said has been independently confirmed, or at least repeatedly and consistently alleged by many individuals held in GITMO, for quite a while.

So if enough terrorists tell you the same thing you eventually believe it?
 
In a time of war it might be wise to not take the side of those who want to kill you ahd your fellow citizens. There was not much cheering for the Nazis during WWll. Baseball was the national pastime then, not the idea of criminalizing your elected leaders who successfully defended the American people.

Who is taking the side of terrorists? I've not seen anyone... What some people are pointing out is some of the targets of our torture/EIT were not in fact 'terrorists' and that there are bounds of moral/ethical conduct (not to mention practical limits) even with regard to known terrorists like KSM.

It is selective wrongdoing and done completely along partisan lines. There is no high road here in case you're looking for one.

It just isn't completely along partisan lines. Factually false.

There is no 'out of bounds' but there should be some thought, intelligence and understanding of what went on and what is going on. All that is being played is domestic political games designed for the 'stupids' Gruber referred to, and they are still carrying the ball.

I can't speak to all discussions, but IMO there is pleny of thought, intelligence, etc. going on among people who disagree. Not everyone who disagrees with the current right wing position on Fox News and talk radio is a traitor or terrorist lover.

So you can't tell the difference between the CIA lying and the terrorists lying. Seems you are in a difficult situation, and there are millions like you who just don't know what to think or believe anymore. The terrorists, on the other hand, know what to believe and don't share your confusion at all..In fact they are willing to sacrifice their lives for their beliefs and are trained to tell lies to the gullible Americans. But you don't know any of this, right?

You're lumping a lot of people with VERY different characteristics in that "terrorist" group. And if you don't have doubts about the official story coming out of the CIA and its paid defenders, then you're not thinking very clearly, and somehow have devised a way to distrust the government when it comes to domestic matters, but demand unquestioned acceptance of any line coming from our spooks and national security apparatus.

The same people involved in BENGHAZI!!! are the ones telling you what happened with the interrogation program, what they did and how awesome were the results. Why or how the GOP and their defenders can have YEARS of hearings on that, and then accept what CIA says about this program without a HUGE grain of salt and lots of healthy skepticism is a mystery to me.
 
How about Americans dying for some other country that isn't even their own. Called on for help due to those not being able to handle whatever problem they have. Is that good enough?
Millions of Americans died for European freedoms but is the Western Europeans who are always the first to criticize America, along with American leftists. Many apparently believe their constant criticism of the USA is 'constructive'.
 
I could say they are much more amused by the fact they've kept us in a war on terror for over 13 years costing us billions of dollars while not stopping the ideology that's been spread all over but I can't really speak for our enemies amusement factor as much as you seem to be able to. Oh wait 'my' enemy not 'ours' because they are not yours as well?


Do you think they would have expanded more than what they have now, if we did nothing and hoped they wouldn't come knocking at out doors?


What about the Terrorists propaganda and all their tweets to Americans showing how much they are amused. You don't think that speaks about their Amusement?
 
The conservative reaction to this report is wholly unsurprising. Those who disagree with barbarism done in our name, under the guise of Keeping Us Safe, barbarism which was lied about for years by its perpetrators, are apparently terrorist sympathizers.
 
The conservative reaction to this report is wholly unsurprising. Those who disagree with barbarism done in our name, under the guise of Keeping Us Safe, barbarism which was lied about for years by its perpetrators, are apparently terrorist sympathizers.


Disgrace: Senate Democrats' Flawed, Reckless CIA Interrogation Report.....

What did this accomplish? It may fire up the lefty base and sate ideologues' political bloodlust after a brutal election, but this issue isn't a major advantage to posturing Democrats. Why? Americans overwhelmingly believe that "torture" is sometimes justified:

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So much for just the Conservative Reaction.....and all that just isn't apparent.
 
Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag

Disgrace: Senate Democrats' Flawed, Reckless CIA Interrogation Report.....

What did this accomplish? It may fire up the lefty base and sate ideologues' political bloodlust after a brutal election, but this issue isn't a major advantage to posturing Democrats. Why? Americans overwhelmingly believe that "torture" is sometimes justified:

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So much for just the Conservative Reaction.....and all that just isn't apparent.

I was more referring to the conservative reaction here on DP, but whatever.

That survey counts everyone who didn't say "never." Rather misleading.
 
Who is taking the side of terrorists? I've not seen anyone... What some people are pointing out is some of the targets of our torture/EIT were not in fact 'terrorists' and that there are bounds of moral/ethical conduct (not to mention practical limits) even with regard to known terrorists like KSM.
Wrapping yourself in the cloak of 'ethics' and 'morals' doesn't help your argument. In fact it is immoral to attack those who have successfully prevented any further terror attacks on US soil, and you should be thanking them.
It just isn't completely along partisan lines. Factually false.
This says otherwise. Where does it go wrong?The Democrats' 'reckless and irresponsible' terror report
You're lumping a lot of people with VERY different characteristics in that "terrorist" group.
Do you know whose side you are on? Do you know who you support? Or are you confused by all the claims coming from the different political and ideological combatants? Sometimes you have to make a decision based on logic and available evidence.
And if you don't have doubts about the official story coming out of the CIA and its paid defenders, then you're not thinking very clearly, and somehow have devised a way to distrust the government when it comes to domestic matters, but demand unquestioned acceptance of any line coming from our spooks and national security apparatus.
]Everyone is being paid so that point doesn't make much sense unless your idea is simply to taint one side. The fact is that no one in the actual decision making process was interviewed during the five years of questioning. Doesn't that strike you as odd?
The same people involved in BENGHAZI!!! are the ones telling you what happened with the interrogation program, what they did and how awesome were the results. Why or how the GOP and their defenders can have YEARS of hearings on that, and then accept what CIA says about this program without a HUGE grain of salt and lots of healthy skepticism is a mystery to me.
The GOP wants everyone to be interviewed regarding Benghazi but the Dems seemingly wanted no one interviewed with direct involvement in keeping America safe. That's the difference.
 
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