People literally did die... but ok. If it's not torture, you do it for a few months.
I'm sure it sucks, and that's the damn point. But effective and humane torturing is very similar actually to corporal punishment in that, it doesn't leave any physical scars but you get what you're looking for. By the way, all the stuff that this guy goes through, is the same stuff that most of our special forces have to go through. Fact is, that we have gotten information from these procedures so I'm not sure why we're discussing it when we're willing to do this to our own. Again, it sucks, but after a few months then he will physically be fine.
Actually, it would be German law that would determine his eligibility for German citizenship. He's an American citizen because his parents are American citizens.
I know he has dual citizenship, so do with that what you will...
Well, you can say "Liberty and justice for all,"
or you can say "Liberty and justice for just a few."
Pick one.
I should make a note that if it's just for a few, I would
guess the few to be the top .01%, because when justice
is select that is what happens. Wait, didn't a bunch of the
top .01% banks just get caught breaking laws and got
fined billions of dollars without any criminal prosecutions.
Maybe it already is "Liberty and justice for a few" already.
Or it can mean Liberty and Justice for All Americans. Simple as that. The Rich (more importantly famous) will always get a better deal, it sucks but that's how things area. Not sure why you bring that up in this context but, w.e.
Yeah, it's why they're called "human" rights, not "American" rights.
And this guy apparently isn't an 'enemy' just a guy caught up in the hysteria, which is of course why we should respect human rights.
Again, we're trying to protect Americans, which the intel we gathered went a long way to doing. Look, it goes back to the fact that in this world, as has become abundantly clear, all we can and should concern ourselves is dealing with direct threats to America and her Allies. I mean, it's nice to talk about "human rights" and such when there are rules of war established. But these guys don't care about that, so whatever steps we can take to avoid another attack that could take the life of my family, your family, or even you, I'm all for.
It's an issue because the U.S. doesn't compare itself to terrorists to get moral authority for it's acts.
Hard to believe a libertarian has so little regard for human rights. Can't tell if this is a real response or sarcasm.
It's real, and the reason I have such a response is because I respect the enemy that we're fighting. Look, if we were talking about fighting an entity that abides by the rules of war, at least in terms of the treatment of prisoners, than we'd have a different discussion. As it stands though, these people don't care. So I'm perfectly comfortable with the "torture" techniques as I know what they are, that being sensory and sleep deprivation sorts of stuff and waterboarding. It would cross the line for me, which it did with Abu Ghraib, when it moves to mutilation of prisoners are really anything that would push them to be killed. At that point, you've moved from wanting to gather information to trying to inflict pain.
According to George W. Bush, it is indeed torture if it causes organ failure or death which has both happened.
But not as an intended consequence of the procedures. I mean, this isn't where you heard stories of stringing up people and hooking up car batteries to testicles which has obviously gone to far. I mean, we talk about the "torture" of these subjects in Guantanomo, but when their not undergoing that, no one wants to mention all the amenities their afforded. Again, the goal should be to get information, and you can't get information from dead suspects.