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Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

Have you found them helpful in any way? I ask because they do not seem to have helped. You side with the nation's enemies. That indicates a lack of reasoning skills and no conscience whatever.

There is no need for an answer.

Per usual, a simple-minded and logically incorrect POV. Not agreeing with torture is not siding with the enemy. Great try, though.
 
Are you suggesting that one can digest food if forced through the rectum?

Although at this point I can see why you would think that. Mainly due to all the sht coming out of your mouth.

I am suggesting nothing actually. I questioned one who was making authoritative statements as if he were a doctor.

I understand how hard it might be to suddenly find yourself amongst adults. Try not to blow it.
 
I recently came across this article of Samir Naji's 13 year incarceration at Gitmo. Obviously, this is a pretty convienent time for him to tell the tales of his cruel and unusual punishment. Which made me think; isn't that exactly what's being clamed here? Cruel and unusual punishment on United States territory. I've heard from my professor that an obvious consequence of closing Gitmo would be that if we brought these inmates back to the United States we would have to give them due-process. Well...I may be mistaken, but
last time I checked, Guantanamo Bay is United states territory.
I found it interesting how this man's story was written. Check it out if you wish to.


Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames U.S. flag - CNN.com



Wrong.

The U.S. Guantanamo Bay Naval Base is located on land and water leased from Cuba.It is not U.S. territory.

Do a little research.
 
Thank you. I count it among my finest ideas. The Islamofascists are not that different from the Islamists who are not that different from the Muslims.

Destroy all of their icons. How can one believe in a god that cannot protect his most holy places?

If it makes you feel better call them drone strikes. Right size the J-DAM for the mosque or place. When in doubt use two.

LOL their God is the same as your God. Ewps.
 
Are you dense, cite me your source on McCain and Feinstein being traitors to the country. If you can't do that, everyone is well within their rights to dismiss your McCarthyism garbage.
McCain is s doddering old fool who is all about McCain. He is well beyond the time when he should have retired. He embraced Feinstein's treasonous act.
Do you actually feel the need for a source to show that Feinstein committed that treasonous act? How could you have missed it?

And do you actually need for me to give a reference to the doddering old fool all over television slobbering all over himself as he embraced Feinstein?

Perhaps you should simply observe for a while.
 
Wrong.

The U.S. Guantanamo Bay Naval Base is located on land and water leased from Cuba.It is not U.S. territory.

Do a little research.
It's not leased. I did my research, and so did my professor after I discussed this with him. It is U.S. territory. The only reason the inmates weren't given due-process is because they were considered "enemy combatants". Rest assure I did plenty of research before posting.
 
Thank you. I count it among my finest ideas. The Islamofascists are not that different from the Islamists who are not that different from the Muslims.

Way to totally generalize an entire group of people.

Destroy all of their icons. How can one believe in a god that cannot protect his most holy places?

How can anyone believe in a god in the first place?

If it makes you feel better call them drone strikes. Right size the J-DAM for the mosque or place. When in doubt use two.

Way to be a twat.
 
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Getting a little heated in here folks. Let's just discuss the topic which is "Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag", and not each other. Thankyou.
 
So, no part of you cares that we extraordinarily renditioned, detained, and tortured dozens of people who were innocent?

I cannot say that we tortured anybody.

Nor do I care that it sometimes takes a while to determine whether or not someone should be kept. During wars bad things happen to people who may be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Sometimes they are killed. Sometimes they are captured. When they are captured and they are not in uniform they are detained persons. If we can determine the most likely have done nothing wrong they are documented and released. If there are indications that they are unlawful combatants they continue with the process.

It is not a big deal. Wars are like that.
 
McCain is s doddering old fool who is all about McCain. He is well beyond the time when he should have retired. He embraced Feinstein's treasonous act.

You've made wild claims and have yet to back them up. Quit acting like a fool and provide evidence for your claims.

Do you actually feel the need for a source to show that Feinstein committed that treasonous act? How could you have missed it?

Yes, I always ask for evidence when someone makes bold claims.

And do you actually need for me to give a reference to the doddering old fool all over television slobbering all over himself as he embraced Feinstein?

What is your point, exactly?

Perhaps you should simply observe for a while.

Perhaps you should get a clue.

I am suggesting nothing actually. I questioned one who was making authoritative statements as if he were a doctor.

One can understand how the digestive tract works without having a Ph.D. Again, are you suggesting one can digest food that is inserted through the rectum?

I understand how hard it might be to suddenly find yourself amongst adults. Try not to blow it.

I find it amusing that you are being so Condescending while you continually make yourself look like an uninformed hack in this thread.
 
McCain is s doddering old fool who is all about McCain.
McCain is a war hero who just can't stomach his own GOP at times and it boils over.
He is well beyond the time when he should have retired.
Do you have any idea how many GOP Senators are just as old as McCain or older?
Yet they are the consummate party of term limits .
 
We have an obligation and the self interest to determine the status of any detainee. Most of the time that is pretty quick. Sometimes it takes longer. Once an individual has been determined to be an unlawful combatant the only right they have is to an execution.

The massive Wiki you pointed to indicates that the majority of the people were released. That is exactly what I would expect. What did you expect?

Don't you think things got really screwed up when the left decided these detainees at Gitmo that should have been dealt with by a military tribunal were then being tried in our court system as if they actually had the same rights as citizens to prove their innocence? You see after all this time there really shouldn't be any detainees left at Gitmo. They should have already faced a military tribunal and either released or be counted as dead. Now the Obama way is not capture them but hit them with drones and kill off a lot of innocent lives and our on the ground informants who are desperately needed in gathering intelligence in the process. WTH?
 
Who gives a **** if our enemies read it? That's a ridiculous argument.

And former allies will read it. Feinstein did enormous damage to the US. She needs to be held to account.

Our enemies will read it and use it to recruit.

The treasonous, but not yet charged Feinstein, release a report that likely identified the countries who helped us. They will not help us again. She identified the interrogation techniques. Future high value targets can be expected to be trained on how to resist. So she made gathering information much harder. She threw patriots who are not bedwetters under the bus undermining innovation and resourcefulness for at least two generations.

The doddering old fool McCain, who is himself not a traitor, embraced the treasonous but not yet charged Feinstein and all but gave her sloppy kisses.
 
It's not leased.
I did my research, and so did my professor after I discussed this with him. It is U.S. territory. The only reason the inmates weren't given due-process is because they were considered "enemy combatants". Rest assure I did plenty of research before posting.



Tell that to the U.S. and Cuban governments.
 
I have, actually. It some pretty horrible stuff in there.


From what I've seen, the CIA is disputing not the report itself but whether it was acceptable for the Senate to publicize the Torture report. Not once has CIA officials dispute any of the claims made in the report.



And?

You won't mind if I don't believe you will you? I could not read a 6,000 page report in two days and I am pretty fast.

Yes, whatever is in the report the treason is in releasing it. She intentionally damaged the United States and the Central Intelligence Agency. The damage is enormous and long lasting. She must be held accountable.
 
Feinstein did the GOP a favor releasing the report.
As Committee chair, McCain would have also released the report, dividing the GOP.
Now GOPs can play their usual Patriot card
 
Since when do you trust government? When it fits the narrative that you've somehow managed to wrap your mind around to believe?
I do not trust government. If a politician tells me something or if a bureaucrat tells me something I would not believe it for a moment.

But I do believe a process whose intent is to determine who is dangerous to us and who is not will work reasonably well given that it is our interest to make that determination. If it were not so we would have tens of thousands of prisoners and not just a few. Most were caught, documented, evaluated and released.
 
Feinstein did the GOP a favor releasing the report.
As Committee chair, McCain would have also released the report, dividing the GOP.
Now GOPs can play their usual Patriot card

Absolutely. Then, they claim that the reason they released it is so the nation can admit their wrongs, and take accountability for what they've done. If you ask me, the nation's not who should be admitting their wrongs. It's the CIA. Ironically enough, they're still minimizing what has happened.
 
Per usual, a simple-minded and logically incorrect POV. Not agreeing with torture is not siding with the enemy. Great try, though.

In this case it is. You are clearly siding with the traitorous, but not yet charge Feinstein, who as an enemy of the American people, released a report that will damage relations with our allies, will embolden our enemies, provide recruiting materials to our enemies and will delight anti-American liberals from sea to shining sea. That is supporting our enemy, Dianne Feinstein.
 
Feinstein did the GOP a favor releasing the report.
As Committee chair, McCain would have also released the report, dividing the GOP.
Now GOPs can play their usual Patriot card
We are into our 6th year of the Obama administration. Has the Patriot act been shut down? No on the contrary its intrusion and power of spying on Americans has grown immensely. McCain was a prisoner of war where they didn't have humane acts in place. What he allows his experience to shade a true perspective. The U.S. has always been willing to allow the Red Cross International or any other Human Rights group access to detainees.
 
McCain is a war hero who just can't stomach his own GOP at times and it boils over.
And he should have retired a decade ago. McCain is all about McCain.

Do you have any idea how many GOP Senators are just as old as McCain or older?
Yet they are the consummate party of term limits .
Too many. Once they have lost both nerve and intellect it is past time to retire them. We would not have this problem if the Senators were under the control of the State legislatures. We need to fix that with another amendment
 
Don't you think things got really screwed up when the left decided these detainees at Gitmo that should have been dealt with by a military tribunal were then being tried in our court system as if they actually had the same rights as citizens to prove their innocence? You see after all this time there really shouldn't be any detainees left at Gitmo. They should have already faced a military tribunal and either released or be counted as dead. Now the Obama way is not capture them but hit them with drones and kill off a lot of innocent lives and our on the ground informants who are desperately needed in gathering intelligence in the process. WTH?

You make good points. By now they should have all be released or executed.
 
You won't mind if I don't believe you will you? I could not read a 6,000 page report in two days and I am pretty fast.

I haven't read the full report as of yet but a good 500 pages in I've seen the CIA have used sleep deprivation, water boarding, refusing to treat injuries like open bullet wounds, rectal rehydration, and other torture methods that brought victims to the point of mental break. Believe me when I say, the report does not shy away from the details.

Yes, whatever is in the report the treason is in releasing it. She intentionally damaged the United States and the Central Intelligence Agency. The damage is enormous and long lasting. She must be held accountable.

That's not grounds to arrest Feinstein for treason, sorry to burst your bubble there, Mr.Republican. If we are to hold anyone accountable, it's the CIA agents who allowed the torture to take place.
 
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