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Elizabeth Warren to Dems: Kill the bill

Cardinal said:
I find it completely relevant that Warren is so far above reproach that this is their best "scandal." As ridiculous as Birtherism was you could sort of dance to it, while this is just one giant wtf.
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Just say it, you accept liars when they are in alignment with your views.
 
This is simply part of the GOP messaging war that the DEMs lost in the 2014 election.
This one on Warren started as soon as she was elected, just as the one on Holder started in 2009 after his appointment--so many more examples.
I don't see a let-up here as long as American voters continue to listen to these messaging wars and not the messages/issues .

Cardinal said:
I find it completely relevant that Warren is so far above reproach that this is their best "scandal." As ridiculous as Birtherism was you could sort of dance to it, while this is just one giant wtf.
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j-mac said:
Isn't that convenient for you....Last night you attacked me for saying she lied about this, and she clearly used it on applications to Penn, and Harvard...Now you all the sudden when faced with the facts fold like a cheap suit and can't say because it isn't "Your family".... LOL, ok, then maybe you shouldn't have acted like you did last night if you didn't want to get it right back...Good day.
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And your claim that she lied is backed up by nothing more than your willingness to repeat it. I've read the various articles, fact checkers and snopes columns, and the general conclusion is that her use of her ancestry is nowhere near as juicy as her detractors would have you believe, and as there's no way to determine one way or the other her ancestry it's pointless to spend any more time on, let alone conclude anyone was lying. But I know you'll repeat this in the future anyway, because politics.

Good day to you too.
 
NIMBY said:
This is simply part of the GOP messaging war that the DEMs lost in the 2014 election.
This one on Warren started as soon as she was elected, just as the one on Holder started in 2009 after his appointment--so many more examples.
I don't see a let-up here as long as American voters continue to listen to these messaging wars and not the messages/issues .
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Hey there NIMBY...How you doing dude?

Messaging is part of politics...Liberals do it too...Probably more effectively than Repubs could ever hope to...But the point is that Warren is nothing special, and to see how some react when she is called out on a blatant move of not only hypocrisy, but sheer political dumb assery, they fret how anyone could impeach her impeccable creds...It makes me retch...Nothing about her speaks integrity. At all.
 
Cardinal said:
And you know this how?
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By your previous post.

You said "there's no way to determine one way or the other her ancestry" yet she did claim she knew she was native American when filling in the applications.

As often happens, it's not the lie as much as the denials and the cover-up that does the harm.
 
Cardinal said:
And your claim that she lied is backed up by nothing more than your willingness to repeat it. I've read the various articles, fact checkers and snopes columns, and the general conclusion is that her use of her ancestry is nowhere near as juicy as her detractors would have you believe, and as there's no way to determine one way or the other her ancestry it's pointless to spend any more time on, let alone conclude anyone was lying. But I know you'll repeat this in the future anyway, because politics.

Good day to you too.
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That's just shockingly amazing....Facts really don't matter to today's liberal.
 
j-mac said:
That's just shockingly amazing....Facts really don't matter to today's liberal.
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Trumped-up accusations are SOP for today's conservative.
 
j-mac said:
That's just shockingly amazing....Facts really don't matter to today's liberal.
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Actually facts matter quite a bit to me. That's why I haven't concluded whether or not she's part Native American. It's you who disregard facts in favor of convenient political conclusions in the complete absence of facts.
 
Grant said:
By your previous post.

You said "there's no way to determine one way or the other her ancestry" yet she did claim she knew she was native American when filling in the applications.

As often happens, it's not the lie as much as the denials and the cover-up that does the harm.
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I was responding to

"The fact is she was uncertain about her lineage until it came time to check the little box."

First, I don't accept the "check the little box" nonsense as that was just a stupid campaign trail talking point. So what do you know that allows you to conclude when she started caring about her ancestry? Are you one of her close friends or family members?
 
NIMBY said:
I only have time for one post tres, and you're the lucky choice.

With limited time, try PoliticoHeadlines.com and you'll find all the stories folks are quoting/linking.

To further trash DEMs, Wasserman-Schultz is on the sell-out side with Biden, Obama and Reid.
Standing with Sarah palin against bank giveaways are DCCC chair Israel, Cummings, Warren and of course Pelosi.
I'm actually enjoying this--the Pelosi--DWS war.

GOP public dissent is mostly muted due to the silent whipping of McConnell.
Look for the GOP fissures to reopen next year when hard-core CONs want pay-back on Obama from Boehner/McConnell.
Boehner/McConnell want a productive term, keeping their majorities after the 2016 election .
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I haven't seen what Wasserman-Schultz has been up to lately. I'll have to check her out. Thanks for the link too. And for picking me as the one post.:mrgreen:

It is indeed by appearances some sort of civil war going on in the Democratic ranks. I wonder though how much it will change when the ousted reps take their leave of Washington.

Speaking of Reid, can I just say for the record how much his voice really gets on my nerves?
 
tres borrachos said:
I haven't seen what Wasserman-Schultz has been up to lately. I'll have to check her out. Thanks for the link too. And for picking me as the one post.:mrgreen:

It is indeed by appearances some sort of civil war going on in the Democratic ranks. I wonder though how much it will change when the ousted reps take their leave of Washington.

Speaking of Reid, can I just say for the record how much his voice really gets on my nerves?
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Yes you may express your glad tidings for Sen. Reid.

After all, he helped you with your election victory and DEMs were severely hurt in the long run when he was reelected.

I'll give you another jingle later when wrestling is over tonight. It's been a busy week with the kids but we're off this weekend so Christmas time with Mum, family and friends is on the agenda. Plenty of Christmas cards to send to Maine .
 
j-mac said:
Hey there NIMBY...How you doing dude?

Messaging is part of politics...Liberals do it too...Probably more effectively than Repubs could ever hope to...But the point is that Warren is nothing special, and to see how some react when she is called out on a blatant move of not only hypocrisy, but sheer political dumb assery, they fret how anyone could impeach her impeccable creds...It makes me retch...Nothing about her speaks integrity. At all.
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You must be smirking at saying the DEMs are winning the messaging war when they clearly got their asses handed to them in 2014.

GOP ads started pounding them on the ACA rollout just after the GOP Oct. 2013 shutdown and went unanswered for too many months, costing the election.

GOPs had a National message, NObama. Dems ran from the economy which GOPs would have bragged about if Romney were POTUS.

At least Warren stands for something, with small bankers on export-import and against large banks and TARP.

Since the GOP is losing on the merits of these two issues, they resort to personal attacks on Warren, their SOP messaging war .
 
NIMBY said:
You must be smirking at saying the DEMs are winning the messaging war when they clearly got their asses handed to them in 2014.

GOP ads started pounding them on the ACA rollout just after the GOP Oct. 2013 shutdown and went unanswered for too many months, costing the election.

GOPs had a National message, NObama. Dems ran from the economy which GOPs would have bragged about if Romney were POTUS.

At least Warren stands for something, with small bankers on export-import and against large banks and TARP.

Since the GOP is losing on the merits of these two issues, they resort to personal attacks on Warren, their SOP messaging war .
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The GOP has no need to engage Warren on those issues, and is best served by just standing aside. The person for whom Warren poses the biggest problem is Hillary Clinton.
 
American said:
And you assumed I promote anarchy with no taxes and other such nonsense. And I don't have to support every govt service, it's not all or nothing. Again with the black and white bull****.
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You have to accept that some people want different things from their government. Just because YOU disagree with a government program or service, that doesn't make it government waste or socialism. In conclusion, Obama was correct in the statement that you criticized.
 
Amadeus said:
You have to accept that some people want different things from their government. Just because YOU disagree with a government program or service, that doesn't make it government waste or socialism. In conclusion, Obama was correct in the statement that you criticized.
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Or perhaps you should accept the possibility that the programs under discussion are government waste and socialism and those who support them are involved in self interest rather than the common good. Same logic as your post.
 
Amadeus said:
You have to accept that some people want different things from their government. Just because YOU disagree with a government program or service, that doesn't make it government waste or socialism. In conclusion, Obama was correct in the statement that you criticized.
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That's your opinion.
 
WallStreetVixen said:
The growth in the stock market shows confidence in the stock market, not in the economy. All-time high in milestones and all-time lows in investor net worth shows that investors are confident that they'll make so much in the stock market that they'll be able to pay their margin debts off. Either this, or they simply believe stock prices will rise forever.

How does this help the average American, who will probably have difficulty purchasing just one share of an S&P stock, that is trading at 27 times earnings?
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So the economy can suck and the stock market can be at record highs you're saying? When has that ever happened before?
 
Kobie said:
So that makes her the left-wing equivalent of pretty much every GOP politician ever, given how much you guys shriek when we criticize them.
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Ah ... I see your confusion.
The difference is the absence of tears, adulation, and pledges of fealty that we see with the Sacajawea fanclub.
 
bubbabgone said:
Ah ... I see your confusion.
The difference is the absence of tears, adulation, and pledges of fealty that we see with the Sacajawea fanclub.
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And thus it begins all over again. Lefties like someone, conservatives start in with the "pledges of fealty" bull****. You've gotten six years of mileage out of that one with Obama, so I can see why you'd return to that well.
 
Jack Hays said:
The GOP has no need to engage Warren on those issues, and is best served by just standing aside. The person for whom Warren poses the biggest problem is Hillary Clinton.
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AND wall street
 
Cardinal said:
Wall Street and corporations influencing the creation of bills is agreed by everybody to be at the core of everything that's wrong with Washington....
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Most conservatives are fine with the fox guarding the hen house.
 
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