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Elizabeth Warren to Dems: Kill the bill

So what did you mean by this:

consumers can screw creditors out of money legally owed to them through easy bankruptcy.

Exactly what I said.

I asked you to refute what I wrote. When do you plan to do that?

By the way, you're not the only person in the world (along with Warren) who knows that some bankruptcies are the result of situations beyond the borrower's control. That happens in corporate bankruptcies as well. Those aren't the ones that make up the majority of bankruptcies.

Please refute what I wrote about the banks. Please refute what I wrote that charged off dollars get passed on to the rest of us.
 
LMAO! I've seen idiotic posts, but this one takes the cake.

Elizabeth Warren whose overburdensome regulations on community banks and credit unions is going to drive most of your local banks out of business, which will result in the big banks getting even bigger, and credit becoming harder to get for small businesses and consumers.

Community banks love Elizabeth Warren. What are you talking about?
 
This is why I believe we'll have more peace the next two years than most people think.
Obama showed flexibility supporting this budget.

The last thing McConnell wants to do is overplay his hand and lose the Senate,
especially with 24 GOPs up for reelection in 2016 in a Presidential year compared to only 10 for the DEMs .

Hi Nimby, I agree with what you say here. I really don't believe that McConnell is that stupid. He has too many of his own coming up for re-election in 2016 which very likely could end up being a wave election for the Democrats (like 2008 and 2012). He isn't going to intentionally torpedo his majority. He will be much more willing to work with the Dems than I think everyone is assuming.
 
Obama was promoting the virtues of government and collective problem solving, not big government. Regardless of which came first, Republicans are glad to use the infrastructure that facilitates business growth while calling government the enemy of business. Funny how that works out.

We are glad to use it since we ****ing paid for it. What do you think? You coerce the tax dollars out of people, then get the galactically stupid notion that people won't use the service. You don't understand conservatism at all. If I were you I'd stop talking about it, you're embarrassing yourself.
 
We are glad to use it since we ****ing paid for it. What do you think? You coerce the tax dollars out of people, then get the galactically stupid notion that people won't use the service.

Coerce people out of their tax dollars? So are what are you arguing for? No taxes and no investment in infrastructure?

You don't understand conservatism at all.

Sure I do. You guys want to have your cake and eat it too. That's conservatism in a nutshell.

If I were you I'd stop talking about it, you're embarrassing yourself.

No, I'll continue to talk about it. We'll see who gets embarrassed.
 
Exactly what I said.

I asked you to refute what I wrote. When do you plan to do that?

By the way, you're not the only person in the world (along with Warren) who knows that some bankruptcies are the result of situations beyond the borrower's control. That happens in corporate bankruptcies as well. Those aren't the ones that make up the majority of bankruptcies.

Please refute what I wrote about the banks. Please refute what I wrote that charged off dollars get passed on to the rest of us.

So I didn't confuse what you originally wrote, after all. Okay, then... like I said, you laid a big stinking turd of a post.
 
Since I am a low-info voter, I have to rely on what the banking industry says about Warren.

Has Elizabeth Warren Won Over the Banks? | Mother Jones

The warming to Warren is due, in large part, to a months-long outreach campaign aimed at members of the banking industry. According to calendars posted on the CFPB's website, Warren's schedule has included 150 appointments with industry officials since her first day in September—phone calls, in-person meetings, industry conference speeches, even visits to local bank branches. She's spoken with everyone from Bank of America CEO Brian Moynihan to the head of the American Bankers Association to community bankers in states from Maine to Texas.

Michael Grant, president of the National Bankers Association, which represents more than 100 minority- and women-owned banks throughout the country, is another fan. He met with Warren in February and says he would support her as the nominee to run the CFPB because of her "genuine concern for protecting the rights for consumers and for her appreciation of the role banks play in the financial infrastructure of this country." Grant adds, "She's a win-win both for our industry and for the consumer if she is nominated and made permanent chief."

Paul Hickman, president and CEO of the Arizona Bankers Association, says he, too, came away impressed after he and a group of Arizona bankers and business leaders met with Warren in Washington. A former staffer for Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), Hickman says Warren went a long way toward allaying the industry's fears of a consumer bureau run amok that would slap banks with new regulations and bury them in paperwork. "I thought Elizabeth Warren did a really good job of letting the members of that meeting know, and the business people of Arizona know, that her mission was not to somehow suppress community banks," Hickman recalls.
 
I know. Tres like to believe that Warren supports big banks. :screwy:screwy

Are you going to refute it, or just continue with your childish posts?

By the way, your post is a lie. I never said she "supports big banks", did I?
 
You go back to worshipping the woman who thinks you all need protection from your own stupidity and inability to responsibly borrow money, and I'll continue to post the truth about her.

What truth have you posted about her? Can you sum it up in bite-sized form so that I can swallow it? I'm a low-info voter.
 
Please allow me to interject here.

The following article seems to be an objective look at this Dodd-Frank stuff that everyone is talking about. I think it'll clear up some misunderstandings.

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/12/09/wall-street-seeks-to-tuck-dodd-frank-changes-in-budget-bill/




Mornin' Mycroft. Oh I have that one. But I did like this part from your link.


On the Republican side of the negotiating table, Representative Jeb Hensarling of Texas fought to include three Dodd-Frank measures, all of which had already passed the House with bipartisan support. Mr. Hensarling is chairman of the House Financial Services Committee..... snip~ <<<<< Notice this part here about Bipartisan support and how some have tried to push this onto Henserling and the Repubs.


Now this part was quite interesting.....

As reported by Politico, those measures met opposition from the Democratic negotiator, Senator Charles E. Schumer of New York. Senator Schumer did, however, back two separate bills that might affect the financial industry. One bill, originally drafted by Senator David Vitter, a Louisiana Republican, would require the president to appoint a person with community banking experience to the Federal Reserve Board. The second bill, also initially supported by Republicans and Democrats, would provide insurance companies some flexibility in meeting capital requirements.

At the last minute, lawmakers removed the terrorism insurance bill from the Cromnibus fight. Now, the House will probably vote on the terrorism insurance extension on Wednesday.....snip~


Here is what I had on Waters.


Yet, while Waters is vocal in her opposition of the bill–and President Obama’s lobbying of it–a press release from Speaker Boehner’s Office showed that she was for the Dodd-Frank reforms before she was against them [emphasis added by Boehner’s Office, italicized text part of minority views section]:Some Democrats are decrying the inclusion of a common-sense Dodd-Frank reform in the FY 2015 Omnibus Appropriations bill – a bipartisan, House-passed reform that would protect manufacturers, farmers, ranchers, and Main Street businesses from onerous regulations that will hurt our economy. Yet those same members, including former Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank (D-MA) and current Committee Ranking Member Maxine Waters (D-CA) once supported the very same provision. Here’s what they said in 2012, in the “minority views” section of the committee report for this same bill:

As amended, H.R. 1838 would repeal portions of Section 716 of the financial reform law, also known as the `push-out provision.' Section 716 prohibits banks from engaging in several types of derivatives. Questions have been raised about this provision by economists and regulators including FDIC's Sheila Bair, who are concerned that it might interfere with a bank's ability to use derivatives to diminish risk. Section 716 was not part of the original House-passed version of the financial reform law.

During the Full Committee markup, Democrats worked with the Majority to amend H.R. 1838 to continue the prohibition of complex swaps employed by AIG with devastating effect. H.R. 1838, as amended, addresses the valid criticisms of Section 716 without weakening the financial reform law's important derivative safeguards or prohibitions on bank proprietary trading.

Secondary Protocol: What If Cromnibus Blows Up? UPDATE: It Didn't - Matt Vespa
 
I read your link. It says what she said. Watch the vid I posted and see for yourself.

no she says it eliminates it. no it doesn't. it expands it by a little bit it doesn't eliminate anything.
please read the difference.
 
Heya Ludin :2wave: earlier today when we were talking about this. Right after I left. I heard Jim Jordan and some other Repubs were not going to sign onto this bill.

evidently they changed their mind as the bill passed. it looks like it will pass the senate and Obama supports it. which I find kinda odd.
 
evidently they changed their mind as the bill passed. it looks like it will pass the senate and Obama supports it. which I find kinda odd.

Curious why you find it odd that he supports it? I don't see that he has any choice.

Nancy Pelosi is "disappointed" in Obama. I wonder how much he really cares about that.

Speaking of Pelosi, her drama was a sight to behold. "Blackmail". Gotta love her.
 
Coerce people out of their tax dollars? So are what are you arguing for? No taxes and no investment in infrastructure?



Sure I do. You guys want to have your cake and eat it too. That's conservatism in a nutshell.



No, I'll continue to talk about it. We'll see who gets embarrassed.

You, because you're talking bull****. Who's talking about no taxes, you apparently. Find where I said no taxes. I'm waiting.
 
You, because you're talking bull****. Who's talking about no taxes, you apparently. Find where I said no taxes. I'm waiting.

You said:

We are glad to use it since we ****ing paid for it. What do you think? You coerce the tax dollars out of people, then get the galactically stupid notion that people won't use the service.

I don't know what you're advocating for, to be honest. You say that Americans are being coerced out of their tax dollars for services that you admit they use.
 
Mornin' Mycroft. Oh I have that one. But I did like this part from your link.


On the Republican side of the negotiating table, Representative Jeb Hensarling of Texas fought to include three Dodd-Frank measures, all of which had already passed the House with bipartisan support. Mr. Hensarling is chairman of the House Financial Services Committee..... snip~ <<<<< Notice this part here about Bipartisan support and how some have tried to push this onto Henserling and the Repubs.


Now this part was quite interesting.....

As reported by Politico, those measures met opposition from the Democratic negotiator, Senator Charles E. Schumer of New York. Senator Schumer did, however, back two separate bills that might affect the financial industry. One bill, originally drafted by Senator David Vitter, a Louisiana Republican, would require the president to appoint a person with community banking experience to the Federal Reserve Board. The second bill, also initially supported by Republicans and Democrats, would provide insurance companies some flexibility in meeting capital requirements.

At the last minute, lawmakers removed the terrorism insurance bill from the Cromnibus fight. Now, the House will probably vote on the terrorism insurance extension on Wednesday.....snip~


Here is what I had on Waters.


Yet, while Waters is vocal in her opposition of the bill–and President Obama’s lobbying of it–a press release from Speaker Boehner’s Office showed that she was for the Dodd-Frank reforms before she was against them [emphasis added by Boehner’s Office, italicized text part of minority views section]:Some Democrats are decrying the inclusion of a common-sense Dodd-Frank reform in the FY 2015 Omnibus Appropriations bill – a bipartisan, House-passed reform that would protect manufacturers, farmers, ranchers, and Main Street businesses from onerous regulations that will hurt our economy. Yet those same members, including former Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank (D-MA) and current Committee Ranking Member Maxine Waters (D-CA) once supported the very same provision. Here’s what they said in 2012, in the “minority views” section of the committee report for this same bill:

As amended, H.R. 1838 would repeal portions of Section 716 of the financial reform law, also known as the `push-out provision.' Section 716 prohibits banks from engaging in several types of derivatives. Questions have been raised about this provision by economists and regulators including FDIC's Sheila Bair, who are concerned that it might interfere with a bank's ability to use derivatives to diminish risk. Section 716 was not part of the original House-passed version of the financial reform law.

During the Full Committee markup, Democrats worked with the Majority to amend H.R. 1838 to continue the prohibition of complex swaps employed by AIG with devastating effect. H.R. 1838, as amended, addresses the valid criticisms of Section 716 without weakening the financial reform law's important derivative safeguards or prohibitions on bank proprietary trading.

Secondary Protocol: What If Cromnibus Blows Up? UPDATE: It Didn't - Matt Vespa

Well, yeah...all that is more of the "I was for/against it but now I'm against/for it" that we get from politicians. But the real reason I presented that link was to clear up exactly where this budget bill is coming from. It has originated in the House...as it should. And, now that the House has passed it, it goes to the Senate.
 
evidently they changed their mind as the bill passed. it looks like it will pass the senate and Obama supports it. which I find kinda odd.

Yeah it passed, but I did post up the Tea party members that didn't sign on. 16 of them. Jordan kept his word.
 
You said:



I don't know what you're advocating for, to be honest. You say that Americans are being coerced out of their tax dollars for services that you admit they use.

So now you're finally being honest, good to see. But I wonder about that when you follow up with a statement out of context. Was that purposeful or not?
 
Well, yeah...all that is more of the "I was for/against it but now I'm against/for it" that we get from politicians. But the real reason I presented that link was to clear up exactly where this budget bill is coming from. It has originated in the House...as it should. And, now that the House has passed it, it goes to the Senate.

Well, did the rider for campaign donations get put on in the House or Senate. Which again all should know that politicians name.
 
So now you're finally being honest, good to see.

I was always honest. I was following your thought to its natural conclusion.

But I wonder about that when you follow up with a statement out of context. Was that purposeful or not?

How is my statement out of context? Perhaps if you articulated your points better, I wouldn't be left scratching my head in confusion.
 
Curious why you find it odd that he supports it? I don't see that he has any choice.

Nancy Pelosi is "disappointed" in Obama. I wonder how much he really cares about that.

Speaking of Pelosi, her drama was a sight to behold. "Blackmail". Gotta love her.

He isn't one to give in to anything.
for 6 years he has done nothing but stamp his feet and cry when he can't get his way.

Maybe he realizes that he is fighting a losing battle at this point. next year is going to go even worse for him.
better try and build some credit now for the next 2 years.
 
Yeah it passed, but I did post up the Tea party members that didn't sign on. 16 of them. Jordan kept his word.

yeah I know the immigration thing. but it is smart. they only funded HLS till February when they will have full control of the senate and the house.
they will be in a stronger position kill the immigration problem that Obama has caused.
 
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