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Elizabeth Warren to Dems: Kill the bill

Cardinal said:
Well, tell us about the quote and how it's a lie. Before I discuss this further with you I want to know if you have an understanding of the topic or if you're just lobbing out bumper sticker phrases like "You didn't build that!" or "What difference does it make!"

And anybody who brings up the Native American thing has already ceded the right to be taken seriously.
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Nope, just like the far left does, we will hammer her with that blatant lie.
 
Middleground said:
That is what your post deserved. You get what you give.
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Wow, 20 minutes later and you can't refute a single thing yet, even though my post about Warren got you all worked up to the point that you sniped at me?

Do tell, what was the "nonsensical crap" that you referred to?

Was she not a bankruptcy attorney?
What do you think happens to the dollars the creditors charge off?
What do you know about the banking regulations and how they impact the community banks and credit unions, and what specifically was incorrect about what I said?

I have to go but I'll check back later after you've had a chance to Google.
 
tres borrachos said:
Which part of my post was untrue, and got you so upset personally?

Please refute my post with specifics.
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You want me to get specific when you spouted nothing but generalities and biased opinion? :roll: You need to seriously get off your high horse.

I am aware of her history. When she started practicing law, it was he job to go after those "cheats." It was only though going over thousands of cases, she changed her views. She saw for herself that in many cases, these people were honest people who fell on hard times:

In 1987, Warren began teaching at the University of Pennsylvania Law School. In 1995, she moved to Harvard. In “The Fragile Middle Class: Americans in Debt,” published by Yale in 2000, Sullivan, Warren, and Westbrook reported the results of a follow-up study of another twenty-four hundred bankruptcy filings, these from 1991. Even more Americans were drowning in debt. Between 1979 and 1997, the number of personal-bankruptcy filings rose by four hundred per cent.

In an age of debt, an unexpected loss can drive almost anyone to ruin. “Divorce, an unhappy second marriage, a serious illness, no job,” Warren writes. “A turn here, a turn there, and my life might have been very different, too.”
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But it goes much deeper.

Warren believes that the two-income family has contributed to the bankruptcy rate. “For middle-class families, the most important part of the safety net for generations has been the stay-at-home mother,” Warren and her daughter, Amelia Warren Tyagi, wrote in “The Two-Income Trap: Why Middle-Class Mothers and Fathers Are Going Broke” (2003), a book aimed at a wider audience than Warren’s earlier, academic work. (“Mom, you are boring,” Tyagi told Warren. “Collaborating with my daughter is not for sissies,” Warren says.) It used to be that when a middle-class family was faced with a financial crisis the woman in the house could get a job, to tide things over, which is what happened when Warren’s father had a heart attack and her mother got a job at Sears. This cushion doesn’t exist in the two-income family, which, in its short history—it has its origins, as a middle-class phenomenon, in the nineteen-seventies—has also taken on a great deal more housing debt. The 1974 Equal Credit Opportunity Act required lenders to count a wife’s income when evaluating borrowers; the deregulation of the mortgage lending industry began in 1980. With two wage earners and low down payments, middle-class families took on bigger mortgages and contributed to an increase in the cost of housing, especially when families with children paid a premium for property in school districts with high test scores. Financial crisis, for a two-income family, usually means having to live, quite suddenly, on one income. In these straits, families with children tend to totter on the edge of ruin. “Having a child is now the single best predictor that a woman will end up in financial collapse,” Warren and Tyagi reported. Between 1981 and 2001, the number of women filing for
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So just try to see things in more grey. It will do you some good.
 
ludin said:
that is where it is wrong. it doesn't eliminate it at all. please read the link I posted it doesn't say what she thinks it say.
all it does is include a few other derivatives that they can't do and still excludes others.

it doesn't eliminate all of it. she is wrong and so is her hyperbole.
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I read your link. It says what she said. Watch the vid I posted and see for yourself.
 
justabubba said:
you educate us
tell us who
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If it were possible I would

You still think the GSEs were helpless victims amd they had nothing to do with the Subprime mortgage crisis.

There's nothing I can do for you.
 
j-mac said:
Nope, just like the far left does, we will hammer her with that blatant lie.
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So you admit you don't know anything about the subprime loan quote of hers. Now please, wow us with your knowledge of this so-called lie regarding the manufactured Native American story.
 
eohrnberger said:
Another failed excessively, and needless complex piece of exponentially government growing POS legislation.



Exactly. All that'd have to be done would be to bring back the Glass-Steagall act with a bit of freshening up.



Yup. That too is stifling the economy and the recovery, and will continue to do so until they are repealed / lifted, and we've got all this government debt and ObamaCare bills that we have to pay for. Not time to be stifling the economy. It needs to be on turbo chargers.
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Greetings, Erik. :2wave:

There will be no funding for Common Core, which parents and teachers both dislike, no new money for Obamacare, which the majority of citizens dislike, and we can still buy incandescent light bulbs which is great. Anyone trying to read with the sickly light emitted by the new bulbs should give thanks for that! There are some things I question, like giving millions to the Central American countries that dumped 50,000 of their children on us to babysit, at a cost of hundreds of millions of dollars a year - it seems they should be reimbursing us! - but I'll wait to see what happens. The scary part to me was the $1.1 trillion dollar budget amount! Why are we acting like we have the money to do this? :screwy: Doesn't an $18 trillion dollar, and climbing by $10 million dollars a minute, debt bother anybody in DC? :shock:
 
Amadeus said:
Careful what you wish for. Warren would break Hillary in the primaries, just like Obama did. Then you basically have President Warren, because Republicans can't beat her.
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Lol !!

In San Mateo County she might eek out a Victory, and maybe Santa Cruz County.

But anywhere else, she's just know as a hack Progressive who caters to the low information ideologues on the left.

As a Conservative I'm all for you people running her as your 2016 Presidential candidate.
 
justabubba said:
wall street, in backroom negotiations, tells our lawmakers to again allow the taxpayers to underwrite the gamble with derivatives
a resumption of privatizing the potentially massive profits and socializing the massive potential losses
this illustrates why Elizabeth Warren (and Bernie Sanders) should be the on democratic ticket in 2016
otherwise we will continue to have the best government money can buy
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we could call that ticket SHRILL and SHRILLER

we would also call them

LOSER
 
Fenton said:
Lol !!

In San Mateo County she might eek out a Victory, and maybe Santa Cruz County.

But anywhere else, she's just know as a hack Progressive who caters to the low information ideologues on the left.

As a Conservative I'm all for you people running her as your 2016 Presidential candidate.
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A true progressive will steamroll any conservative competition coming out of the primaries. You better pray for Clinton, because she's the closest to the right-wing you're going to get in 2016.
 
Amadeus said:
A true progressive will steamroll any conservative competition coming out of the primaries. You better pray for Clinton, because she's the closest to the right-wing you're going to get in 2016.
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By " True progressive " do you mean a walking talking insubstantial left wing platitude ?

A lying hypocrite who uses the easily influenced minds of low information left wing ideologues to make a name for herself ?

She rails against corruption and greed very selectively and hasn't pushed for any legitimate actions that would curb what caused ths 2008 Financial crisis.

So yes, I guess she is a TRUE Progressive. Americans are sick of dishonest hypocritical Politicians lying to them .
 
Fenton said:
By " True progressive " do you mean a walking talking insubstantial left wing platitude ?

A lying hypocrite who uses the easily influenced minds of low information left wing ideologues to make a name for herself ?

She rails against corruption and greed very selectively and hasn't pushed for any legitimate actions that would curb what caused ths 2008 Financial crisis.

So yes, I guess she is a TRUE Progressive. Americans are sick of dishonest hypocritical Politicians lying to them .
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Do you have anything beyond vague generalities?
 
Fenton said:
By " True progressive " do you mean a walking talking insubstantial left wing platitude ?

A lying hypocrite who uses the easily influenced minds of low information left wing ideologues to make a name for herself ?

She rails against corruption and greed very selectively and hasn't pushed for any legitimate actions that would curb what caused ths 2008 Financial crisis.

So yes, I guess she is a TRUE Progressive. Americans are sick of dishonest hypocritical Politicians lying to them .
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Who do you support for a Republican candidate?
 
eohrnberger said:
Another failed excessively, and needless complex piece of exponentially government growing POS legislation.



Exactly. All that'd have to be done would be to bring back the Glass-Steagall act with a bit of freshening up.



Yup. That too is stifling the economy and the recovery, and will continue to do so until they are repealed / lifted, and we've got all this government debt and ObamaCare bills that we have to pay for. Not time to be stifling the economy. It needs to be on turbo chargers.
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The economy got stifled before Obama even entered the white house. Things are looking better now, jobs, stock market etc. Careful what you wish for, like republicans in charge.
 
Amadeus said:
Who do you support for a Republican candidate?
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It doesn't matter.

You people run Warren and whoever becomes the GOPs candidate will skate right into the White House.

I support " Sacajawea " Warren as the Democrat candidate.
 
fred68 said:
The economy got stifled before Obama even entered the white house. Things are looking better now, jobs, stock market etc. Careful what you wish for, like republicans in charge.
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Sorry Eric....

Jobs ? Not really. .

The last Jobs numbers showed there were 150 thousand less full time positions, and the Labor participation rate is at a record low as this administration shrinks the unemployment numbers by shrinking the pool of those that it counts as employed.

Foodstamp use is up 40 percent and so are poverty rates. Child poverty in some US Cities is 50 percent.

The Stock market being propped up with unending FED stimulus isn't really a accomplishment.

Forcing investors out of safe fixed yield investments and into the equities markets and falsely inflating the value of assets just drives up costs on everything from food to Housing.

The Stock market is absolutely disconnected from the economic conditions we now have to deal with.

Qe incentivizes speculation, not investment that would lead to real amd substantial Jobs growth.
 
Fenton said:
It doesn't matter.
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Sure it matters. You've called Warren a liar who appeals to low-information voters. Knowing who you (and people like you) support will give us a glimpse into lofty conservative standards.

But if you're afraid to say, I understand.
 
WallStreetVixen said:
She is most likely lying about her own statements in the quote the OP posted.

Either that, or she is clueless about the Dodd-Frank legislation she helped craft.
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Or as is infinitely more likely from the wording of your post, you don't know.
 
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