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Elizabeth Warren to Dems: Kill the bill

I was always honest. I was following your thought to its natural conclusion.



How is my statement out of context? Perhaps if you articulated your points better, I wouldn't be left scratching my head in confusion.

The natural conclusion is that we as conservative can't always have the govt we want, so we deal with things as they are while trying to introduce conservative principles into future attempts to reign in the growth of govt. If I'm forced to pay for something, I still have the right to use what I paid for. That doesn't make me a hypocrite, it just makes you a disingenuous debater.
 
He isn't one to give in to anything.
for 6 years he has done nothing but stamp his feet and cry when he can't get his way.

Maybe he realizes that he is fighting a losing battle at this point. next year is going to go even worse for him.
better try and build some credit now for the next 2 years.

Based on the behavior of the Dems since election night, I think Obama thinks his only allies for the next 2 years are the Republicans.
 
Man o man are the Dems ever grooming Liz for a 2016 run or what.

Let's see ... the last time they pumped up a one-dimensional far left one term Senator like this it was successful thanks to various factors ... unfortunately, Presidential concern for the Country wasn't one of them.

I'm not sure Liz is going to overcome what the last one like her is doing.

No, she's best left in Massachusetts where she can do the least harm.
 
The natural conclusion is that we as conservative can't always have the govt we want, so we deal with things as they are while trying to introduce conservative principles into future attempts to reign in the growth of govt. If I'm forced to pay for something, I still have the right to use what I paid for. That doesn't make me a hypocrite, it just makes you a disingenuous debater.

How am I being disingenuous? This conversation started when I pointed out that Obama was talking about how businesses benefit from collective problem solving and government investment. Which is 100% factual. You then started swearing at me and telling me I didn't understand conservatism.

Either the services and infrastructure provided by government are useful businesses or they're not. Either your tax dollars are going towards services that you happily use, or they're being wasted. You can't have it both ways.
 
yeah I know the immigration thing. but it is smart. they only funded HLS till February when they will have full control of the senate and the house.
they will be in a stronger position kill the immigration problem that Obama has caused.

I agree with that part of it. I don't care for the rider attached with the campaign donations being accepted. Plus we want that politician's name.
 
she was absolutely correct in recognizing that commerce does not happen in an environment free of government participation
share with us what kind of work you are engaged in and i will reply with an array of instances in which the government's actions facilitate your commercial activities, to illustrate that enterprise does not go it alone - without government involvement - when conducting business

No, she is wrong and misleading, and probably knows it. And that's not what she was saying. If that's your response, then you are not even getting what she is trying to say, so maybe you should re-examine her statement.

She is saying to her sycophantic followers that the people who built their own businesses owe a piece of what they worked for to her do-nothing, drag-on-society backers that are just looking for a bigger handout from big government socialists like her. She wants what they worked for. Getting it yet?

Another thing you have backwards, we don't owe anything to government, we facilitate the government's existence, not the other way around, as you see it.

Funny, how they don't owe a thing to those that work to make a better society.
 
And Boehner now owes Obama, Reid and Hoyer a pretty big favor going forward.
Hopefully that means some peace in legislation next year.
Also strangely silent this week was McConnell .

How is it that Boehner now owes Obama, Reid and Hoyer? Wouldn't it be the other way around? Or is this what it appears to be, the collection of parts that could pass both houses?

McConnell isn't a front man, he doesn't cherish the media spotlight. For sure that he was working on this behind the scenes.
Heya Eorhn. :2wave: Yeah I didn't like that rider with the Campaign finances which came out the Senate. We need that Senator's Name and then he needs to hear from the people about trying to rig the game anymore.

Who do you think brought that lil piece of legislation that Harry Reid allowed thru? Who was trying to get the Demos some more money for their Elections?

Hey MMC. Dunno. I'd like to know. If you find out, let me know.
 
Well, did the rider for campaign donations get put on in the House or Senate. Which again all should know that politicians name.

The bill hasn't even been considered by the Senate yet. The Senate, as far as I know, hasn't even created a budget bill yet. So everything in the bill that everyone has been talking about was put in by the House.

In regard to the part about campaign donations, this link gives info about that and other parts of the bill: http://www.debatepolitics.com/gener...rmarks-2015-spending-bill.html#post1064080486
 
The bill hasn't even been considered by the Senate yet. The Senate, as far as I know, hasn't even created a budget bill yet. So everything in the bill that everyone has been talking about was put in by the House.

In regard to the part about campaign donations, this link gives info about that and other parts of the bill: http://www.debatepolitics.com/gener...rmarks-2015-spending-bill.html#post1064080486


1. Campaign finance contribution limits increased by 300%. The provision was negotiated by top aides for John Boehner and Harry Reid.....snip~

So it falls on Boehner and Reid.....and their aides. Who worked out the details. Yeah we need to get their names too.

So, Reid did get Senate terms in for that rider. Imagine that!

I heard Cruz doesn't like the Bill. That's out the Gate so far.
 
1. Campaign finance contribution limits increased by 300%. The provision was negotiated by top aides for John Boehner and Harry Reid.....snip~

So it falls on Boehner and Reid.....and their aides. Who worked out the details. Yeah we need to get their names too.

So, Reid did get Senate terms in for that rider. Imagine that!

I heard Cruz doesn't like the Bill. That's out the Gate so far.

I predict a bunch of grandstanding and posturing from both sides in the Senate, but ultimate passage and it being signed by the President.

But the thing is, except for the usual "wait till the last minute", there appears to be give and take by both sides. That is quite refreshing after the "normal" action of Reid pigeon-holing legislation and Obama demagoguing Republicans.
 
Please allow me to interject here.

The following article seems to be an objective look at this Dodd-Frank stuff that everyone is talking about. I think it'll clear up some misunderstandings.

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/12/09/wall-street-seeks-to-tuck-dodd-frank-changes-in-budget-bill/
Mornin' Mycroft. Oh I have that one. But I did like this part from your link.
. . . (snip due to ridiculously low post size limitation)
My read of this leads me to believe that the banks are wanting to get back to gambling with derivatives again, and want to maintain their federal insurance backed by public money if they lose. The article states that derivatives are some sort of mechanism to diminish risk, yet, from this definition, it seems that it's little more than a way to place a bet.
In finance, a derivative is a contract that derives its value from the performance of an underlying entity. This underlying entity can be an asset, index, or interest rate, and is often called the "underlying".[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP] Derivatives can be used for a number of purposes - including insuring against price movements (hedging), increasing exposure to price movements for speculation or getting access to otherwise hard to trade assets or markets.[SUP][3][/SUP]
Some of the more common derivatives include forwards, futures, options, swaps, and variations of these such as collateralized debt obligations, credit default swaps, and mortgage backed securities. Most derivatives are traded over-the-counter (off-exchange) or on an exchange such as the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, while most insurance contracts have developed into a separate industry. Derivatives are one of the three main categories of financial instruments, the other two being equities (i.e. stocks or shares) and debt (i.e. bonds and mortgages).
Derivative (finance) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I must be dense or something but I don't seen how derivatives manage risk here.

Per the definition: "a derivative is a contract that derives its value from the performance of an underlying entity." It looks to me as a gambling venue.
 
The bill hasn't even been considered by the Senate yet. The Senate, as far as I know, hasn't even created a budget bill yet. So everything in the bill that everyone has been talking about was put in by the House.

In regard to the part about campaign donations, this link gives info about that and other parts of the bill: http://www.debatepolitics.com/gener...rmarks-2015-spending-bill.html#post1064080486

From what I gather, the Senate will vote next week. If they dare change things, add more pork to win the votes needed, the word is it will be rejected in the House. But then again that might just be a lot of hot air.

On a personal note, I feel betrayed that my representative voted yes for this thing that insures funding for Obamacare and Obama's EO amnesty. Two things my rep campaigned on stopping. And after a huge victory for Republicans just a month ago, they turn around and give Obama funding for what the people are against by majority. Obama doesn't need the Democrats, he has a good number of Republicans.
 
From what I gather, the Senate will vote next week. If they dare change things, add more pork to win the votes needed, the word is it will be rejected in the House. But then again that might just be a lot of hot air.

On a personal note, I feel betrayed that my representative voted yes for this thing that insures funding for Obamacare and Obama's EO amnesty. Two things my rep campaigned on stopping. And after a huge victory for Republicans just a month ago, they turn around and give Obama funding for what the people are against by majority. Obama doesn't need the Democrats, he has a good number of Republicans.

Mornin V.
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Yeah I doubt Boehner will let it return as he has BO behind with pen ready.
 
How am I being disingenuous? This conversation started when I pointed out that Obama was talking about how businesses benefit from collective problem solving and government investment. Which is 100% factual. You then started swearing at me and telling me I didn't understand conservatism.

Either the services and infrastructure provided by government are useful businesses or they're not. Either your tax dollars are going towards services that you happily use, or they're being wasted. You can't have it both ways.

And you assumed I promote anarchy with no taxes and other such nonsense. And I don't have to support every govt service, it's not all or nothing. Again with the black and white bull****.
 
Mornin V.
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Yeah I doubt Boehner will let it return as he has BO behind with pen ready.

I think there should be a campaign started now to have Boehner replaced as Speaker for what he has done. Sessions was fighting tooth and nail to stop the funding of Obama's amnesty. Boehner had to sway the Republicans on the committee along with few Democrats to get the thing passed out of committee for a floor vote. I wonder how much of the 1.1 trillion is pork directed to those committee members for their "yes" vote?

I'm going to send an email to my rep today telling him what I think of his "yes" vote. But I have to wait till I calm down so the email doesn't read like,

You piece of %&**^*##@ you lying *&^^^*$$%$.........
 
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I think there should be a campaign started now to have Boehner replaced as Speaker for what he has done. Sessions is over the committee where Cromnibus originated. Sessions was fighting tooth and nail to stop the funding of Obama's amnesty. That means Boehner had to sway the rest of the Republicans on the committee along with few Democrats to get the thing passed out of committee for a floor vote. I wonder how much of the 1.1 trillion is pork directed to those committee members for their "yes" vote?

I'm going to send an email to my rep today telling him what I think of his "yes" vote. But I have to wait till I calm down so the email doesn't read like,

You piece of %&**^*##@ you lying *&^^^*$$%$.........


Here is who voted against it, other than Labrador.....all the Leadership voted, for it.


Sixteeen Republicans–Reps. Justin Amash (Mich.), Michele Bachmann (Minn.), Dave Brat (Va.), Mo Brooks (Ala.), Paul Broun (Ga.), Louie Gohmert (Texas), Paul Gosar (Ariz.), Tim Huelskamp (Kan.), Walter Jones (N.C.), Jim Jordan (Ohio), Steve King (Iowa), Raúl Labrador (Idaho), Thomas Massie (Ky.), Bill Posey (Fla.), Matt Salmon (Ariz.) and Steve Stockman (Texas)–all voted against advancing the bill......snip~
 
Here is who voted against it, other than Labrador.....all the Leadership voted, for it.


Sixteeen Republicans–Reps. Justin Amash (Mich.), Michele Bachmann (Minn.), Dave Brat (Va.), Mo Brooks (Ala.), Paul Broun (Ga.), Louie Gohmert (Texas), Paul Gosar (Ariz.), Tim Huelskamp (Kan.), Walter Jones (N.C.), Jim Jordan (Ohio), Steve King (Iowa), Raúl Labrador (Idaho), Thomas Massie (Ky.), Bill Posey (Fla.), Matt Salmon (Ariz.) and Steve Stockman (Texas)–all voted against advancing the bill......snip~

I had to edit my post because I stated Senator Sessions improperly. There were a whole lot more than 16 that voted no. There were 67.

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House passes $1.2 Trillion Cromnibus bill. See... | Poor Richard's News
 
The guy who is blasting Warren because he believes she said blacks are too stupid to make our own financial decisions, regularly calls us brainwashed pawns of the left. Yo, Erod, want to debate your bull**** statements and how similar your actual statements are to - what you think are - Warren's "racist" remarks? ;) No? Seems par for the course. Now, move along, sweetheart.

And the disturbed stalker marches on. I'm certain he has "Erod" spray-painted across the walls in his mother's basement as he plans his next move in his underoos.
 
Yesterday, I was confronted after calling Elizabeth Warren a liar by Cardinal who not only lashed into a pretty insulting tirade aimed at myself, but anyone else that couldn't, or wouldn't play his game of "produce what I demand NOW!"

Warren represents the worst of progressive thought, and action. She is possibly worse than Obama on that front as to the threat she poses to our system of Government, and Economy. Consider in light of this thread where she, in the party of power in the Senate until the end of the month, and a person who said this last year during what was labeled "the Republican shutdown" by libs, and media libs, (start watching at 3:55):



So today would she say that SHE is the one that can't accept the reality of losing an election? Would she consider herself a hostage taker who can't win their fights any other way, and should "get out of the way"? It's rich I tell ya....

When Warren was speaking at the Democratic National Convention, she said at one point while attacking Ted Cruz, and I quote...."...Maybe if they weren't busy saying No, No, No, then we could build a bridge"... Really? Who's saying "No" to this now Liz? She is...Using the very same tactic she denounced when Republican's like Cruz used it...So, what's she for? What she said then? Or now?

Clearly she is a liar...About the Native American claim...

The Washington Post, (clearly NOT a conservative outlet) reports:

"When she [Elizabeth Warren] applied to Penn and Harvard, she checked the box claiming she was Native American..."

The Facts

Warren’s Lineage

Warren has claimed Cherokee and Delaware Indian heritage, but the only proof so far seems to be stories she says she heard from family members as a child. Cherokee groups have demanded documentation of the candidate’s Native American ancestry, but she hasn’t delivered.


The New England Historic Genealogical Society found a family newsletter that alluded to a marriage-license application supposedly listing Warren’s great-great-great grandmother as part Cherokee.


The Boston Globe misreported this information, saying that the genealogical society had found the marriage license itself and debunked the notion that Warren lied about her lineage. The paper later acknowledged its mistake in a correction notice.


The author of the family newsletter said she didn’t have documentation of the marriage-license application and she doesn’t know who sent her the reference.

(Indian Country Today Media Network has posted the family newsletter on its Web site).
The New England genealogical society clarified in a statement that it has found no proof of Warren’s self-proclaimed Native American lineage. The group also told The Globe that the candidate’s family is not listed in an early-20th century census of major tribes, known as the Dawes Rolls.

An article in Atlantic magazine pointed out that Warren “would not be eligible to become a member of any of the three federally recognized Cherokee tribes based on the evidence so far surfaced by independent genealogists about her ancestry.” That’s because her Cherokee ancestors, if she has any, would either be too distant or they never documented their ties in ways that meet the tribes’ requirements.

Did Elizabeth Warren check the Native American box when she ‘applied’ to Harvard and Penn? - The Washington Post

So when she claimed that she was at least in part Native American, that was a pure lie.

Of course the list goes on like most hypocrites in DC there is a long list....But Warren, being an unabashed progressive, anti capitalist, and in many ways Socialist that is further to the left than even Obama, is a further danger to this country...She should be scoffed, and castigated whenever possible.
 
Well, I did go with the known tea partiers. ;)

I got to tell you, I am livid over what happened yesterday. When you consider, just about every Republican now serving in the House is there because of running on getting rid of Obamacare, cut government spending, and stop immigration reform before building the damn fence. Every Republican that voted yes yesterday broke all their campaign promises in one damn vote.

The reason there isn't a damn fence built yet even though it was ordered to be built and funded prior to 2006 is because the Chamber of Commerce didn't want a fence. The Chamber of Commerce also wants amnesty for all their illegal workers they hire. The Chamber of Commerce has lobbied hard for amnesty and had done so with a lot of hard cash. Hope those Republicans who voted yes yesterday will be happy with the love the Chamber of Commerce will give them because that vote cost them a lot of love with their constituents. Hope they all enjoy their next two years in Washington and plan on spending a lot of money on their challenged primaries next time around. People aren't going to forget this one.
 
The last Jobs numbers showed there were 150 thousand less full time positions, and the Labor participation rate is at a record low as this administration shrinks the unemployment numbers by shrinking the pool of those that it counts as employed.

How does it do that? Are you claiming the government arbitrarily changes the defintions to exclude people?
 
... say something even a little critical about Liz and it gets a lot of spittle flying from her acolytes.

So that makes her the left-wing equivalent of pretty much every GOP politician ever, given how much you guys shriek when we criticize them.
 
And the disturbed stalker marches on. I'm certain he has "Erod" spray-painted across the walls in his mother's basement as he plans his next move in his underoos.

Don't make moronic, intellectually dishonest arguments and you won't be held accountable for them.
 
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