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UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

shrubnose said:
Except when they're useful, eh?
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I said no one gives a damn what the UN says and I didn't make exceptions for "when they're useful" because by and large, they aren't useful and even when they are, still no one listens. That's why world problems remain world problems in spite of any and all UN rhetoric and posturing.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Witch hunt. Pure and simple from
a scorned administration looking to hurt as many people as possible on the way out to the trash heap of history
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Those who advocated, permitted, and practiced torture during the G.W. Bush mis-administration will be punished in the history books if nowhere else.
 
American said:
The guy in charge of the program came on TV and said a grand total of 3 people were waterboarded. I think the people that did this really thought they had to get the information, because they thought al Qaeda was going to attack and/or they were trying to find OBL.
Were they not following orders that were deemed legal by the Justice Dept?
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"I was just following orders." didn't save the Germans and Japanese who were hanged after WWII, eh?
 
Napoleon said:
Funny that right wingers parrot that nonsense while insisting that other nations be bludgeoned with sanctions for doing the same thing the U.S. does. if the UN has no semblance of credibility its because the United States defiles its seat on the Security Council with rank hypocrisy.
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China, Cuba and Russia "defy their seats " on the UN Human Rights Council by showing up

The UN loses all semblance of credibility ( it never had any to begin with ) by appointing Nations with terrible Human Rights violations to a council thats tasked to monitor them.

Just admit that you don't care who charges the US with " Human Rights violations "

Just as long as it perpetuates the same stale left wing nonsense that was parroted around when Bush was in office.
 
Threegoofs said:
Your argument is 'they do it too'. How hollow.

I'm truly ashamed we have people like you in the US.
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"Timmy did it too." has always been a mighty poor excuse for bad behavior. Check with your mama on this. :roll:
 
shrubnose said:
Who's being tortured now? Fill us in. :roll:
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Those who were 'tortured' during the Bush Administration are still alive today.

This is not the case with Obama and his drone program where everyone in the vicinity of the explosion is dead and with no intelligence gathered. Yet Leftists appear okay with this bizarre approach. Can you explain this attitude?
 
Papa bull said:
I said no one gives a damn what the UN says and I didn't make exceptions for "when they're useful" because by and large, they aren't useful and even when they are, still no one listens.
That's why world problems remain world problems in spite of any and all UN rhetoric and posturing.
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The way the UN is set up, with Security Council veto power, makes it almost impossible for it to be an effective organization. :roll:
 
shrubnose said:
The way the UN is set up, with Security Council veto power, makes it almost impossible for it to be an effective organization. :roll:
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It's good to see that you can at least acknowledge that they're ineffective. ;) I prefer "useless" to "ineffective" because I think it's more accurate.
 
Bob0627 said:
All senior U.S. officials and CIA agents who authorized or carried out torture like waterboarding as part of former President George W. Bush's national security policy must be prosecuted, top U.N. officials said Wednesday.

It's not clear, however, how human rights officials think these prosecutions will take place, since the Justice Department has declined to prosecute and the U.S. is not a member of the International Criminal Court.

Zeid Raad al-Hussein, the U.N. high commissioner for human rights, said it's "crystal clear" under international law that the United States, which ratified the U.N. Convention Against Torture in 1994, now has an obligation to ensure accountability.

"In all countries, if someone commits murder, they are prosecuted and jailed. If they commit rape or armed robbery, they are prosecuted and jailed. If they order, enable or commit torture ? recognized as a serious international crime ? they cannot simply be granted impunity because of political expediency," he said.

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon hopes the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee report on the CIA's harsh interrogation techniques at secret overseas facilities is the "start of a process" toward prosecutions, because the "prohibition against torture is absolute," Ban's spokesman said.

Ben Emmerson, the U.N.'s special rapporteur on counterterrorism and human rights, said the report released Tuesday shows "there was a clear policy orchestrated at a high level within the Bush administration, which allowed (it) to commit systematic crimes and gross violations of international human rights law."

He said international law prohibits granting immunity to public officials who allow the use of torture, and this applies not just to the actual perpetrators but also to those who plan and authorize torture.

UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture - ABC News

The only CIA agent who has been jailed to date for anything to do with torture is John Kiriakou, for whistleblowing on the CIA torture program.
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Personally, I have no use for the UN. No sane person can take seriously any sermonizing by this body of petty despots and thieves.

Best response would be for the US to say, "thanks very much - you now have 1 year to pack up and leave NYC and relocate and those annual dues you expect us to pay, no longer going to happen". And all like minded, civilized, western democracies should do the same. I can only hope that one day my country, Canada, sees fit to end our participation in this sham.
 
Fenton said:
The UN loses all semblance of credibility ( it never had any to begin with ) by appointing Nations with terrible Human Rights violations to a council thats tasked to monitor them.
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Including the United States.

Fenton said:
Just admit that you don't care who charges the US with " Human Rights violations "
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Not if the shoe fits.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Personally, I have no use for the UN. No sane person can take seriously any sermonizing by this body of petty despots and thieves.

Best response would be for the US to say, "thanks very much - you now have 1 year to pack up and leave NYC and relocate and those annual dues you expect us to pay, no longer going to happen". And all like minded, civilized, western democracies should do the same. I can only hope that one day my country, Canada, sees fit to end our participation in this sham.
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Considering the UN has consistently failed it's founding purpose (to prevent war between member states) and the fact that they have taken way more power and influence then they were ever granted, I agree with this.
 
shrubnose said:
The way the UN is set up, with Security Council veto power, makes it almost impossible for it to be an effective organization. :roll:
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And its has Nations with some of the worst Human Rights records om its Human Rights Council.

Don't forget that.

Oh and Nations that opppse American interest on principle alone.

There are a number of things tbaf make it a " innefective " organization.

And a number of things that challenges the very credibility of its purpose and existence.
 
I am an American Patriot. And because of this I agree. These traitors that torture should not be protected and not allowed to shame our country.
 
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