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UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture

Because it didn't yield useful information. It wasn't coercive, only punitive.

But are you really suggesting that torture is acceptable when used that way? If it must be punitive, then isn't it permissible to torture you in order to get you to confess to a crime?


Mornin Paschendale. :2wave: That's BS. The program yielded far more results than the excuse on a few cases that didn't. You didn't actually believe that BS report put out by the Democrats for political purposes now, did you?


Here the Matter is, simple like.....would you torture a terrorist or let a multitude of people die? Choice is on you!
 
The UN, as it is, needs to be disbanded.

Well that, and after a few slaps upside their heads. Just Because, they cant handle violence. I would use some profanity to, as those Sheep can't handle violent speech either.
 
I'm not defending our torture program, but I also do not care at all what the UN demands.
 
Of course there should be prosecutions for this. The US constitution prohibits torture. Government officials who authorized it and carried it out should pay for their crime. And it's a war crime. If there are not punishments for breaking the law, why bother having it?

Did you forget Holder and his Team thought the same? Why didn't Holder come up with anything with his thorough investigation? Why couldn't the Justice Dept bring any criminal charges?
 
When the UN stops promoting human rights abusers to lead its condemnation bodies then they may have a shred of credibility.

Mornin JMac. :2wave: Exactly, tell them to walk the walk first before trying to practice what they don't preach to all those out there that do worse than any Western Nations.

Then if they say anything back.....tell them to STFU!
 
Of course there should be prosecutions for this. The US constitution prohibits torture. Government officials who authorized it and carried it out should pay for their crime. And it's a war crime. If there are not punishments for breaking the law, why bother having it?

The Constitution doesn't prohibit torture of enemy combatants, but it does guarantee due process. Which parts of The Constitution do you suggest we ignore, to prosecute people?
 
Definitely should happen. People foolishly think anyone at guantanamo was a terrorist, but roughly half were released within a year, and were simply at the wrong place at the wrong time, when they were accosted, kidnapped, denied due process and in many cases tortured before release.

If the "Justice" department won't do its job and uphold basic principles of human dignity, i'm all for returning the favor and the UN hiring foreign agents to come here, arrest and move these CIA agents to another country for prosecution. Something akin to the nuremburg trials could begin in earnest



Simple choice.....torture a terrorist to save a multitude of peoples lives. Which will it be. No torture or let a great many people die. Its like the NFL referee. You make the Call! Which is it?
 
The Constitution doesn't prohibit torture of enemy combatants, but it does guarantee due process. Which parts of The Constitution do you suggest we ignore, to prosecute people?

I wonder if Pasch would like to put Obama in Gitmo for his drone strikes.
 
Witch hunt. Pure and simple from a scorned administration looking to hurt as many people as possible on the way out to the trash heap of history.
 
Of course there should be prosecutions for this. The US constitution prohibits torture. Government officials who authorized it and carried it out should pay for their crime. And it's a war crime. If there are not punishments for breaking the law, why bother having it?
Please point to the part of the constitution that prohibits it.
 
I wonder if Pasch would like to put Obama in Gitmo for his drone strikes.

When the leftists come with that preaching of morality. Which is a joke initself. :roll: Just give them that choice.....torture a terrorist to save a great many lives. What will they do. Let all the people die or torture the terrorist. Choice is on them.

Lets see what they are about.
 
Because it didn't yield useful information. It wasn't coercive, only punitive.

But are you really suggesting that torture is acceptable when used that way? If it must be punitive, then isn't it permissible to torture you in order to get you to confess to a crime?
Mornin Paschendale. :2wave: That's BS. The program yielded far more results than the excuse on a few cases that didn't. You didn't actually believe that BS report put out by the Democrats for political purposes now, did you?


Here the Matter is, simple like.....would you torture a terrorist or let a multitude of people die? Choice is on you!
I'm going to disagree with both of you. I don't buy Paschendale's point in the sense that I believe it was intended to produce results. I do not buy that it was done for punitive purposes. Having said that, I do not believe it worked, either. When tortured, people will often tell their tormentors what they want to hear just to make it stop. Happens in police interrogation rooms across the country, too, when psychological interrogation techniques are used.
 
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Except that will never happen because the POTUS and the DOD have already granted "immunity" by proxy to all the criminals prior to the POTUS' admission that "we tortured some folks". In legal terms this is known as "depraved indifference", which is tantamount to complicity. The Nuremburg Principles, for which the US had a major role and is a signatory, does not have any provision for granting immunity and makes it very clear that all involved, including those in positions of power who protect others who commit crimes against humanity are complicit.
I'm sorry but I just can't elevate the act of waterboarding to "crimes against humanity" status.
 
I'm going to disagree with both of you. I don't buy Paschendale's point in the sense that I believe it was intended to produce results. I do not buy that it was done for punitive purposes. Having said that, I do not believe it worked, either. When tortured, people will often tell their tormentors what they want to hear just to make it stop. Happens in police interrogation rooms across the country, too, when psychological interrogation techniques are used, too.


Mornin Radcen. :2wave: Yes people will often tell others what it is they want to hear. This does not mean they do not give out information or that the info is false. It may not pan out, it might be nothing. But the results did gain something. Even if but a name. Even to include whether the one caught is even part of the game.

Still.....the left is all of a sudden worried about Morals. So again.....put that choice out there to them. Torture a terrorist to save many lives. Either they let the many die to not torture. Or they will torture to save lives.
 
When the leftists come with that preaching of morality. Which is a joke initself. :roll: Just give them that choice.....torture a terrorist to save a great many lives. What will they do. Let all the people die or torture the terrorist. Choice is on them.

Lets see what they are about.

The guy in charge of the program came on TV and said a grand total of 3 people were waterboarded. I think the people that did this really thought they had to get the information, because they thought al Qaeda was going to attack and/or they were trying to find OBL. Were they not following orders that were deemed legal by the Justice Dept?
 
I wonder if Pasch would like to put Obama in Gitmo for his drone strikes.

Not to mention, the torture program didn't end with Obama's election.
 
The guy in charge of the program came on TV and said a grand total of 3 people were waterboarded. I think the people that did this really thought they had to get the information, because they thought al Qaeda was going to attack and/or they were trying to find OBL. Were they not following orders that were deemed legal by the Justice Dept?

Mornin' American. :2wave: That's why I asked what happened to Holders detailed and microscopic investigation into the matter.

Do you think the leftists here will answer that question or run from it? You know.....the one with torturing a terrorist to save many lives? I wonder how many would torture but are afraid to say so.
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I'm sorry but I just can't elevate the act of waterboarding to "crimes against humanity" status.

I'm sorry you can't. American judges sentenced Japanese soldiers to death and long prison sentences for waterboarding American soldiers.
 
Mornin JMac. :2wave: Exactly, tell them to walk the walk first before trying to practice what they don't preach to all those out there that do worse than any Western Nations.

Then if they say anything back.....tell them to STFU!
Mornin' MMC... If anyone wants to know what torture is, it's sitting here waiting on this load...lol
 
I'm sorry you can't. American judges sentenced Japanese soldiers to death and long prison sentences for waterboarding American soldiers.
Sorry Bob, different situation all together.
 
Not to mention, the torture program didn't end with Obama's election.

I point missed by plenty of people, good call apdst.
 
Mornin' American. :2wave: That's why I asked what happened to Holders detailed and microscopic investigation into the matter.

Do you think the leftists here will answer that question or run from it? You know.....the one with torturing a terrorist to save many lives? I wonder how many would torture but are afraid to say so.
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I give some credit to the Obama admin for not pursuing any of this. It would undermine the Justice Department, and would be very difficult to get opinions from their attorneys in the future. Attorneys usually don't get prosecuted for rendering opinions, but I suppose they could get disbarred for incompentence. I think that's why no legal actions will be sought.
 
Nailed it!

i wouldn't be surprised if we get another nasty letter from the un about this. Russia has been using the un to throw daggers at us daily. I expect another well drafted letter about our human rights violations. It should spark another fun thread of who needs the un anyways.
 
I'm sorry but I just can't elevate the act of waterboarding to "crimes against humanity" status.

All I know is there are a lot of Yizidi women and young girls in Syria who wake up every day to endless rapes, maiming and disfigurement thanking their lucky stars they didn't get water up their nose.
 
All senior U.S. officials and CIA agents who authorized or carried out torture like waterboarding as part of former President George W. Bush's national security policy must be prosecuted, top U.N. officials said Wednesday.

It's not clear, however, how human rights officials think these prosecutions will take place, since the Justice Department has declined to prosecute and the U.S. is not a member of the International Criminal Court.

Zeid Raad al-Hussein, the U.N. high commissioner for human rights, said it's "crystal clear" under international law that the United States, which ratified the U.N. Convention Against Torture in 1994, now has an obligation to ensure accountability.

"In all countries, if someone commits murder, they are prosecuted and jailed. If they commit rape or armed robbery, they are prosecuted and jailed. If they order, enable or commit torture ? recognized as a serious international crime ? they cannot simply be granted impunity because of political expediency," he said.

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon hopes the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee report on the CIA's harsh interrogation techniques at secret overseas facilities is the "start of a process" toward prosecutions, because the "prohibition against torture is absolute," Ban's spokesman said.

Ben Emmerson, the U.N.'s special rapporteur on counterterrorism and human rights, said the report released Tuesday shows "there was a clear policy orchestrated at a high level within the Bush administration, which allowed (it) to commit systematic crimes and gross violations of international human rights law."

He said international law prohibits granting immunity to public officials who allow the use of torture, and this applies not just to the actual perpetrators but also to those who plan and authorize torture.

UN Officials Demand Prosecutions for US Torture - ABC News

The only CIA agent who has been jailed to date for anything to do with torture is John Kiriakou, for whistleblowing on the CIA torture program.

Sadly, like many organizations that started out with a noble mission and intensions, the UN has devolved into a play ground for greedy elitists from foreign countries who think nothing of their own people, and are only interested in the life of luxury their status allows.

Like the US does with the International Criminal Court, the blather from the UN should be ignored and considered as nothing but the banter of people who are only there as the result of a political payoff from someone back home.
 
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