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As you saw that was also covered.I was specifically talking about an innocent man killed in custody at Bagram, not Abu Graib.
And again irrelevant to what is being discussed. Individual bad actors, or the Government acting.And again, it's not my opinion that the CIA led US military personnel in interrogation techniques, that is pretty much accepted as fact by nearly everybody.
It was individual bad actors as has been repeatedly shown.
All you provided was unsupportable allegations to suggest it was the Government acting.
That is your opinion. While you have many Citizens on your side who believe that, there are just as many that don't.The Bush Admin muddled the debate on what qualified as torture.
The techniques are only in question in your thoughts. Because as already shown, those methods were already investigated by the Justice department and no charges followed.There was no denial about the techniques I listed previously in the thread, and that those techniques came from the top of government.
That has been established, period. There is no getting beyond that. That is the end of that specific argument. Everything else about that is just opinion.
The argument is over whether those individual actors were acting on their own or at the Government's behest.
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And? Do you actually care what an opinionated reporter says?In fact, Megan Kelly recently criticized the CIA torture report as distasteful to release to the public because it "saved American lives." She didn't deny government involvement...
And just how do you think she is relevant at all? :doh
Let me clue you in to something you obviously do not know. Her opinion matters not, just as Rush Limbaugh or Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon's opinions matters not.
What matters here is our Justice Department. Nothing else.
:naughtyThose techniques, in the case of Bagram, killed an innocent man.
No. Individual actors taking the technique too far did. Do you really not understand the difference?
Your opinion is the ignorant one. Especially not realizing that it was an individual actor taking the technique too far and instead trying to absurdly suggest that indicated Government involvement. D'oh! :dohIf you're fine with an innocent man being held indefinitely and killed in US custody, and don't consider the techniques torture, then that's nothing more than you ignorant opinion.
Secondly, do not assume anything about my position unless I already stated it.
I am not okay with indefinite confinement. But this discussion isn't about that. So stop assuming.
Holy ****! :rolls eyes like thirty thousand times:Do you know how wiki citations work....
I linked the source per the wiki article. Wiki articles are like term papers, and I wrote many term papers in college.
No you didn't link the source because it did not address all that you provided from wiki. Had you bothered to check, you would have realized that. :doh
What you did was make a lazy attempt, and even tried to make it look as though you assembled the words when they actually came from wiki.
Not checking was lazy, trying to make it appear as if you wrote it, dishonesty.