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Some of the detainees died from the torture. Check the posts above.
I didn't see any links. Help me out?
Some of the detainees died from the torture. Check the posts above.
Personally, I don't believe that waterboarding or sleep deprivation is torture. Pulling fingernails, beatings, breaking bones or causing serious and lasting injury to me would be torture. I suppose it's all a matter of individual bias.
I didn't see any links. Help me out?
4. One detainee died, apparently from hypothermia, after being chained, nearly naked, to a concrete floor
A glimpse of these techniques details how the CIA employed sleep deprivation to wear down victims: It "involved keeping detainees awake for up to 180 hours, usually standing or in stress positions, at times with their hands shackled above their heads."
Sure. First, there's the link already given above about a taxi driver named Dhaliwal. Then, there's this poor guy:
Sharpened interrogation just isn't a morally acceptable option for a democracy t hat values human rights.
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What I said originally was that our objective is to eradicate the cockroaches, not to become cockroaches.
Furthermore, a better case could be made for torture to have helped to convince more Muslims to radicalize than one that torture actually helped to save lives.
Sure. First, there's the link already given above about a taxi driver named Dhaliwal. Then, there's this poor guy:
Sharpened interrogation just isn't a morally acceptable option for a democracy t hat values human rights.
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So CNN regurgitates misinformation, and parrots the report and you lap it up as independent corroboration? You're embarrassing yourself Ditto.
And just what in the hell do you think the release of this biased report does? It'll be used as a recruiting tool for some time to come.
You not wanting to believe it doesn't make it false. In fact, no one defending the CIA says it's false, only that it's not "torture", or that the tor.. I mean sharpened interrogation can be justified in a sort of the end justifies the means sort of way.
You can call a turd a cupcake if you want. It is what it is.
The terrorists already know that torture happened. So does anyone who has been paying attention and didn't swallow the "United States does not torture" statement made by one POTUS or the "torture ended" statement made by another.
All The Right People: The Contagious Exercise Of State Violence - Esquire
Somewhere in itself, and not very far from the surface, either, this country has gone mad with fear and rage. As a result, it is finding sustenance in the acts of official violence, and doing so in more different ways than the republic has seen since we had lynching, union busting, and Red Scares at the same time, back when the 19th century was turning into the 20th. Anyone who can't see the political and sociological tissue connecting the deaths of Michael Brown and Eric Garner, and the revelations of a decade's worth of CIA brutality, and the execution of Robert Holsey isn't looking hard enough. In the country's untrammeled fear and rage, it is exercising the only function of self-government it can recall as its mad brain turns to red fire -- to encourage the exercise of the state's power to wound and kill all the right people. In this madness, race and class are mere diagnostic categories. In this madness, the politics of right and left, of Republicans and Democrats, of conservatives and liberals, of red and blue, are pathetically inadequate to assess the situation. In this madness, the choices are not made within the easy and obvious contexts. This is a choice between barbarism and not, between savagery and not. This is a choice between the national soul and the national Id. This is a choice of whether to take inchoate and weaponized vengeance against the living representations of the monsters in our paranoid dreams. That's the last vestige of self-government that we have allowed ourselves. The right to demand that the institutions of government kill what we fear. By any means necessary, as someone once said.
Cheney Throws Bush Under The Bus On Torture Program
Dick Cheney discussed the newly released Senate torture report Wednesday on Fox News, and in particular challenged a finding that former President George W. Bush hadn't been briefed on the CIA's harsh interrogation methods until years after they'd already been in use.
Fox News anchor Bret Baier asked the former vice president whether the agency deliberately kept Bush in the dark about its so-called enhanced interrogation techniques.
"Not true. Didn't happen," Cheney responded. "Read his book, he talks about it extensively in his memoirs. He was in fact an integral part of the program, he had to approve it before we went forward with it."
Asked if there was ever a point where he knew more about the CIA's activity than the President, Cheney said "I think he knew everything he needed to know and wanted to know about the program."
Charles P Pierce has a few words to say to the defenders of torture
Ah yes, All things that the US is, or does is evil, and only collectivism can save us.
Succinctly stated - THE problem we face in America today - "You're with us or you're against us" with zero acknowledgement of complexity
Some people see only the negative in their opponents' speech, some people seem to only be able to accept the "all or nothing" premise in politics. They see criticism of one favoured action as being criticism of everything.
" In this madness, the choices are not made within the easy and obvious contexts. This is a choice between barbarism and not, between savagery and not. "
I don't support other countries charging our CIA staff for anything, sorry.
Will it be a good thing when they charge Barack Obama for his drone attacks that are killing children, too?
So, why did you try to trot out a dishonest CNN article like you did? And if you are lapping up that report from Feinsten's aids, then you should be smart enough to know that Feinstein was briefed many times while it was ongoing and said or did NOTHING to stop it...In fact reports were that she egged it on, just like Pelosi, and Rockefeller....So...What do you call that? I call it highly dishonest.
Oh, so you believe it is ongoing today?
The CNN article was not dishonest, nor was the report on torture. If you want to cast blame on the Democrats, go ahead. I won't argue with you there.
The main thing is to acknowledge what really happened so that history won't repeat itself.
I don't know. I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that it is.
Of course, Obama said that it ended, but then, Bush said that the US doesn't torture. Do you believe either one of them?
The "183 times" quote was but one inaccuracy...The entire op-ed attempt at journalism is just proof that we don't have an objective press, and people like you buy into the propaganda.
There is no one else like me. I'm one of a kind.
and, people like you, if there are any others, won't believe plain facts when they've been presented.
So, how many times do you believe people have been tortured?On that I would agree old friend...:mrgreen:
When we start talking facts, and not ridiculous exaggerations like "183 times" as though they are fact then we can talk....So, tell me Ditto, what's new in this "report"? Nothing as far as I can see.
So, how many times do you believe people have been tortured?
Is 175 too many? How about 150?
Does it matter that the government lied to us about it?
On that I would agree old friend...:mrgreen:
When we start talking facts, and not ridiculous exaggerations like "183 times" as though they are fact then we can talk....So, tell me Ditto, what's new in this "report"? Nothing as far as I can see.