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Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

How is Obama's drone program any less morally problematic ?

Where's the Senate report on that ?
 
Moral ground was lost decades ago.

I do agree with that, but you don't regain it by emulating terrorist. If you stand for something, stand for it.
 
Does anyone actually believe that the tor.. I mean "enhanced interrogation techniques" ended with the election of the new president?

I suppose they must. Some people will believe almost anything.

It is my understanding that Bush put a stop to it before he left the presidency.
 
Here's the point:

The torture report released Tuesday by the Senate Intelligence Committee says the CIA deceived the nation with its insistence that the harsh interrogation tactics had saved lives. It says those claims are unsubstantiated by the CIA’s own records.

Senate report: Harsh CIA tactics didn't work | The Rundown | PBS NewsHour

Whine about left and right all you want, the point is still the point.

Democrat politicians issue a report that says it didn't work? If it did work, they certainly admit it?
 
that's a possibility. Gruber was testifying on Capital Hill this morning and that was hot news. That is until Fienstien took over.

Yeah, but what are the networks going to carry? That which would embarrass Obamacare? Or their old favorite whipping boy?
 
Haven't we really known about torture all along?
And, won't it still be denied in some camps?

Would we honestly know if it worked or not? There is really no telling. It is the CIA. Number one rule: don't get caught. Number 2: don't write it down if you don't want someone to know.
 
Here's the point:

The torture report released Tuesday by the Senate Intelligence Committee says the CIA deceived the nation with its insistence that the harsh interrogation tactics had saved lives. It says those claims are unsubstantiated by the CIA’s own records.

Senate report: Harsh CIA tactics didn't work | The Rundown | PBS NewsHour

Whine about left and right all you want, the point is still the point.

:shrug: whatever Senate Democrats say, the heads of the CIA under both Republican and Democrat Administrations disagree.
 
Would we honestly know if it worked or not? There is really no telling. It is the CIA. Number one rule: don't get caught. Number 2: don't write it down if you don't want someone to know.

CIA agents that were actually involved in interrogating Khalled Sheik Mohammed said they wouldn not have found Bin Laden without it

I'll believe them long before I would believe a bunch of hack Democrats who just got done throwing a temper tantrum.
 
Would the CIA say so, are there others?

Trying to answer a question with another question is not working soo much.

Moreover what about those who live there that helped us to deal with them? Think they have moved away from their homes?
Did they give a location of this detention facility?
Also doing some simple digging the place known as the "Salt Pit" or "COBALT" was known as the "Dark Prison" by former captives and has been defunct. So no, its not an active prison. "CIA custody in what was known as the Salt Pit, a now-defunct secret detention center at Kabul airport also sometimes called "The Dark Prison" by former captives." Justice probing CIA in deaths of 2 detainees | Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
 
Trying to answer a question with another question is not working soo much.


Did they give a location of this detention facility?
Also doing some simple digging the place known as the "Salt Pit" or "COBALT" was known as the "Dark Prison" by former captives and has been defunct. So no, its not an active prison. "CIA custody in what was known as the Salt Pit, a now-defunct secret detention center at Kabul airport also sometimes called "The Dark Prison" by former captives." Justice probing CIA in deaths of 2 detainees | Pittsburgh Post-Gazette


Yeah its not an active prison. :roll: .....are you that far behind in thinking that the CIA and our people wouldn't move. Or use old locations they once held. Yet are still in Kabul. What you can't figure out the CIA and the Afghans have other locations they are working out of that area and are suspected? You wouldn't think at all about how validation of where a location was given. Would lead to some searching around.....huh.

I'll bet you thought AQ and the Taliban gave up looking. Didn't you?
 
Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation amid warnings of backlash | Fox News

A Democrat-led Senate panel released a scathing report Tuesday on CIA interrogation practices amid warnings from lawmakers and some within the Obama administration that the findings could "endanger the lives of Americans" all over the world.

Ah, the left. Politics above all.

Yeah, I mean why should we even know anything that the government does. It's not like we were charged with controlling it.
 
Yeah, I mean why should we even know anything that the government does. It's not like we were charged with controlling it.

You're not, our representatives are.
 
Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation amid warnings of backlash | Fox News

A Democrat-led Senate panel released a scathing report Tuesday on CIA interrogation practices amid warnings from lawmakers and some within the Obama administration that the findings could "endanger the lives of Americans" all over the world.

Ah, the left. Politics above all.

Wow....only in the warped minds of the right-wingers and FauxNews crowd is releasing a report that details how America has failed to live up to our high standards and needs improvement "politics" and anti-American. You people seriously need to set your values straight.
 
Because we are too stuborn as a country to recognise international law.

If I recall correctly, the U.S. under Presidents Clinton and Bush chose not to submit the Rome Statute to the Senate for confirmation on grounds that it potentially undermined national sovereignty. Another argument concerned the ICC's accountability to the highly-politicized UN General Assembly rather than the UN Security Council.
 
You're not, our representatives are.

Of course, you're right. Our system was not set to serve the People and to be controlled by it through intelligent interaction and voting. Clearly it's for the politicians, by the politicians, of the politicians. I don't even know why people are interested in government action and desire at all. Obviously it will regulate itself.
 
It's irrelevant that the CIA lied to Congress...the Commander and Chief about the effectiveness and use of torture? Oh...to cap it off it leaked sensitive information to reporters misstating the usefulness of intel gained through torture?

Gotta love the perspective of your "freedom" loving Conservatives on this report.
The perspective of conservatives on this report is that is completely unreliable due to it's polical bias.

The efficacy of interrogation is beyond question. I guess in liberal moonbatville, suspects never give up information under duress.
 
Yeah its not an active prison. :roll: .....
So a article from 2011 was wrong? Do you have any information to say the facility is still open? Or is it all your speculation?

are you that far behind in thinking that the CIA and our people wouldn't move.
Based off the article I just linked the facility has been closed at least since 2011... So who would move if no one is there at that site?

Or use old locations they once held.
The center of Kabul airport?

Yet are still in Kabul.
Cool. Kabul is a big place.

What you can't figure out the CIA and the Afghans have other locations they are working out of that area and are suspected?
Since a site was closed then released its code name, and nickname, and its location. It was actually released in 2011 as I linked. Whats the big whoop?

You wouldn't think at all about how validation of where a location was given. Would lead to some searching around.....huh.
Well this site was released in 2011 and its at the center of a airport which is essentially a giant military base...
But do you really think the Taliban dont know there are CIA black sites in Afghanistan and Kabul?


I'll bet you thought AQ and the Taliban gave up looking. Didn't you?
No. Just saying that the place was revealed in 2011 and was closed. Going back to my original question which was: "Is is it still used by the CIA?", that answer being: "No it was closed at least since 2011".
 
Left?

How is a JOINT report of Democrats AND Republicans, who are right leftist?
That is so much vacuous bull**** and spin the reason the inept dolts in the Republican party cannot get the best of the worst president in modern history.
Abuse and torture is neither left nor right, it's simply barbarian

Don't worry, just because it says "republican" by their name, it doesn't mean they are doing their best to protect this country or have any fidelity to the Constitution. And you're correct it's not left or right, it's about protecting the people of this country. Remember WWII? FDR? Any enhanced techniques going on there? Did it save lives? You bet it did.

Yeah, go ahead ignore all that. But realize you have been at war for nearly 15 years and the situation is worse than when you decided to "kill them if they run". 15 years and a few hundred thousand American lives lost...

Right, a few hundred thousand. Duh!

And how many Mahar Arars have there been? An innocent man systematically sodomized and tortured on a daily basis by America's "friends" in Syria after having been "renditioned" by the CIA. They had the wrong man.
You know what, you are so right. Now, let's shut down all our police departments since they have arrested the wrong person in the past. Your logic is just so hard to resist. Come back when you've got some sleep, you can do better than this.

You're worse than Obama's followers
Yep, that's me.
 
Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation amid warnings of backlash | Fox News

A Democrat-led Senate panel released a scathing report Tuesday on CIA interrogation practices amid warnings from lawmakers and some within the Obama administration that the findings could "endanger the lives of Americans" all over the world.

Ah, the left. Politics above all.

Ah, the right--politics above all.

Ah, the fool who believes there is a difference between the dems and the repubs....:mrgreen:

This torture report has become a political football, and that is obvious to anyone paying attention.

It should be a black and white issue--any persons who tortures others or facilitates the torture of others is guilty of crimes against humanity, and in a civilized society those persons would be prosecuted.
 
The perspective of conservatives on this report is that is completely unreliable due to it's polical bias.

The efficacy of interrogation is beyond question. I guess in liberal moonbatville, suspects never give up information under duress.

How is the report biased?

I mean besides because it points out that this was done at time when we had a Republican president, and dates are biased of course.
 
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