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Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation...

Such a well thought out response, I don't know what to say!

Good...why not go with that (at least in this thread)?

Anyone that questions releasing the truth is acting unpatriotic imo. Defending the rights and freedoms of the Constitution AND standing up for justice and honor is patriotic, not covering up the truth so a few CIA scumbags don't get retribution for disgusting acts of cowardice.

No one was drafted into the CIA, they all volunteered. And they have all known for years what went on and that eventually the truth would probably come out.


I have said it before, disband the f'ing CIA and give their responsibilities to the military and the FBI.
And while you are at it, get rid of the Department of Homeland Paranoia - er - Security.

Cowardice is still running national security...grow a spine America. If the only way to win the 'War on Terror (dumbest title for a war in history...a war on an emotion :roll: ) is to act like terrorists, then America is no better then those they seek to destroy.

If the future of America is cowardice, then let America die.
 
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HOLY ****. They just outed a CIA covert building in Afghanistan. Get our people out of there now!


He wasn't alone. In September 2002, at a facility referred to as COBALT— understood as the CIA's "Salt Pit" facility in Afghanistan — detainees were kept in isolation and complete darkness. Their cells had only buckets for human waste. Loud noise or music was common.

A month later, CIA questioners found al-Najjar a "broken man" and on the verge of a "complete breakdown." But the treatment got worse, with officials lowering his food ration, keeping him shackled in the cold and giving him a diaper instead of toilet access, the report says.

Some detainees at the Afghan facility were marched around naked or dragged out of their cells and forcibly stripped by officers, before being secured with Mylar tape, hooded, and dragged along a corridor while being slapped and punched.

Rahman was then shackled to a wall in his cell, forced to rest on a bare concrete floor in only a sweatshirt. The next day he was dead. A CIA review and autopsy found he died of hypothermia.....snip~

Senate report: Harsh CIA tactics didn't work
 
I thought the left was soooo concerned about getting the terrorists mad, and creating more terrorists. Why did the democrats release this report and endanger American live around the world? Haven't they seen enough beheadings yet?

Because unlike dictatorships and oppressive regimes, we admit when we screw up in this country.. well sometimes at least.
 
In September 2002, four members of Congress met in secret for a first look at a unique CIA program designed to wring vital information from reticent terrorism suspects in U.S. custody. For more than an hour, the bipartisan group, which included current House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), was given a virtual tour of the CIA's overseas detention sites and the harsh techniques interrogators had devised to try to make their prisoners talk.

Among the techniques described, said two officials present, was waterboarding, a practice that years later would be condemned as torture by Democrats and some Republicans on Capitol Hill. But on that day, no objections were raised. Instead, at least two lawmakers in the room asked the CIA to push harder, two U.S. officials said.

"The briefer was specifically asked if the methods were tough enough," said a U.S. official who witnessed the exchange.

long before "waterboarding" entered the public discourse, the CIA gave key legislative overseers about 30 private briefings, some of which included descriptions of that technique and other harsh interrogation methods, according to interviews with multiple U.S. officials with firsthand knowledge.

With one known exception, no formal objections were raised by the lawmakers briefed about the harsh methods during the two years in which waterboarding was employed, from 2002 to 2003, said Democrats and Republicans with direct knowledge of the matter. The lawmakers who held oversight roles during the period included Pelosi and Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.) and Sens. Bob Graham (D-Fla.) and John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.), as well as Rep. Porter J. Goss (R-Fla.) and Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan)."

Let it rain....
 
Senate panel releases scathing report on CIA interrogation amid warnings of backlash | Fox News

A Democrat-led Senate panel released a scathing report Tuesday on CIA interrogation practices amid warnings from lawmakers and some within the Obama administration that the findings could "endanger the lives of Americans" all over the world.

Ah, the left. Politics above all.

um wouldn't the illegal torture be what's endangering Americans rather then trying to cover it up?
 
Such a well thought out response, I don't know what to say!

Nothing really, it's an old talking point that has been shown to be without substance. If we don't do what Republicans say, the terrorists will get us!
 
Not buying that worn out old line.

Then why are the terrorists bad? If you can't make a moral distinction between us and them, then you can't wage a moral war against them.
 
Irrelevant.

It's irrelevant that the CIA lied to Congress...the Commander and Chief about the effectiveness and use of torture? Oh...to cap it off it leaked sensitive information to reporters misstating the usefulness of intel gained through torture?

Gotta love the perspective of your "freedom" loving Conservatives on this report.
 
Then why are the terrorists bad? If you can't make a moral distinction between us and them, then you can't wage a moral war against them.
Murder bad. Once they murder you. They deserve everything they get.
 
Then why are the terrorists bad? If you can't make a moral distinction between us and them, then you can't wage a moral war against them.

Because they walk in to towns, gather the men and boys and march them to a field, gun them all down or decapitate them, and sell their women and girls as sex slaves.

But you are right, good thing for those townsfolk that ISIS never poured water up their noses or made them listen to loud rock music!
 
Murder bad. Once they murder you. They deserve everything they get.

That's not a reason. The terrorists could say the exact same thing. The bad US murdered so and so, ergo these other people deserve everything they get.
 
Because they walk in to towns, gather the men and boys and march them to a field, gun them all down or decapitate them, and sell their women and girls as sex slaves.

But you are right, good thing for those townsfolk that ISIS never poured water up their noses or made them listen to loud rock music!

This was all long before ISIS.

That said, if you're basing the moral justification for waging a war on terrorists because you're not quite as bad as they are; then you're fighting a losing fight.

The real difference between us an them is that we have laws that apply to everyone, not just the peasants. No one is above the law, and no one is beneath. Everyone gets their day in court. Everyone has a right to be treated fairly regardless of what they've done, who they are, and what they believe.
 
Nothing really, it's an old talking point that has been shown to be without substance. If we don't do what Republicans say, the terrorists will get us!

Cmon now.....not everybody that wears Black Pajamas are Republicans.

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‘See you in New York,’ ISIS chief told U.S. captors

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...-in-New-York-ISIS-chief-told-U-S-captors.html
 
HOLY ****. They just outed a CIA covert building in Afghanistan. Get our people out of there now!
Is the building still in use by the CIA?
 
At first many on the right refused to call it torture. Now with all the relevations from this report, the waterboarding, the sexual abuse, forcing people to stand on their broken feet, killing a detainee, and much more 16 absolutely outrageous abuses detailed in the CIA torture report - Vox . Now the extreme right who are apologists are going with the card "they deserved the torture". That is ****ing disgusting on all the apologists part. Why cant you just admit when your country ****s up?

"The bottom line is these techniques have hurt our image around the world, the damage they have done to our interests far outweighed whatever benefit they gave us and they are not essential to our national security."
-Admiral Dennis C. Blair, Director of National Intelligence.
 
Greetings, Pero. :2wave:

It appears it's being attempted as a diversion to help minimize the aftershock of Gruber's testimony, but I don't think it's going to work. Interrogation was over years ago - ACA is now, and it's affecting people's wallets!

that's a possibility. Gruber was testifying on Capital Hill this morning and that was hot news. That is until Fienstien took over.
 
This was all long before ISIS.

That said, if you're basing the moral justification for waging a war on terrorists because you're not quite as bad as they are; then you're fighting a losing fight.

"Not quite as bad". You mean like not gunning down hundreds of detainees, selling women and children into sexual slavery, and decapitating prisoners to secure demands from another state?

Like not feeding prisoners into industrial plastic shredders? We're not "quite" as bad as all that. :roll:

But, your "then you're fighting a losing fight" is logically self defeating. One would assume that if the other side is engaging in equal or worse treatment of prisoners (let alone unlawful combatants) then they are losing the battle to. But someone wins eventually...

The real difference between us an them is that we have laws that apply to everyone, not just the peasants. No one is above the law, and no one is beneath. Everyone gets their day in court. Everyone has a right to be treated fairly regardless of what they've done, who they are, and what they believe.

Well, no. unlawful combatants aren't protected under the law the same as a uniformed enemy, or a civilian. They throw away most of their rights when they chose to take up the fight without a uniform.

The reason for this rule should be obvious. By fighting dressed in civilian clothing the unlawful combatant makes the civilian population a rational target for the opposing force. For Islamic militants this is exactly the intent, of course. As such they don't get equal protection under the law. In fact, they could be summarily executed.
 
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thank god this is probably the last time anyone will have to listen to another speech from that old bag Pelosi.

it took the liberals a decade to officially call it torture. congratulations. If the terrorists hit us TOMORROW I hope the CIA does the exact same thing(minus the one death). If they find a suspected terrorists give him the whole "torture" menu. then twice on Sunday.
 
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To keep the incoming majority very, very busy. Same tactic Obama has been using. Plus now there's a chance to gin up some things to use to counter Benghazi and IRS and the other scandals for next election.

The IRS and Benghazi really had no effect on last months election. It was more the economy as shown in the exit polls. Something like this, this far out will not effect 2016 at all. I think Polgara had a better idea. Take the public's away from Gruber.
 
That didnt answer my question. Is this specific building still used by the CIA?

Would the CIA say so, are there others? Moreover what about those who live there that helped us to deal with them? Think they have moved away from their homes?
 
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