6 Gitmo detainees arrive in Uruguay for resettlement

[TheDemSocialist]

Six men held for more than a decade at the U.S. military prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, arrived in Uruguay for resettlement on Sunday, part of a slow-moving push by the Obama administration to close the facility.The six prisoners — four Syrians, a Palestinian and a Tunisian — were never charged with crimes and had been approved for transfer for years. A move initially planned for earlier this year was apparently held up by the Defense Department.
Early Sunday morning, the men finally arrived in the Uruguayan capital, Montevideo, where five were taken to a military hospital. The sixth, reportedly in a more delicate state, was taken to a different hospital, according to local media.
"We are very grateful to Uruguay for this important humanitarian action," said Clifford Sloan, the State Department envoy on Guantánamo who had negotiated the resettlement deal in January.


With Sunday’s resettlement, 136 men remain at the prison. Sixty-seven have been approved for transfer, most of them from Yemen. More are expected to be released by year’s end.
Uruguayan President José Mujica, an ardent critic of the Guantánamo facility, said the resettled six would have the status of refugees. “The day they want to leave, they can leave,” he said, rebuffing a U.S. condition that they stay in Uruguay for at least two years.

Read more @: 6 Gitmo detainees arrive in Uruguay for resettlement

About damn time. Finally more and more prisoners who have not been charged with anything, and have been cleared to release have finally been released. Good move, and this facility is long overdue to be closed. Its a stain on America.

 

[twixie1]

Read more @: 6 Gitmo detainees arrive in Uruguay for resettlement

About damn time. Finally more and more prisoners who have not been charged with anything, and have been cleared to release have finally been released. Good move, and this facility is long overdue to be closed. Its a stain on America. [/FONT][/COLOR]

Well I think if I was from Tunisia.Syrian..who had never been charged with any offences..I would have been pissed off not to be taken back from where I was taken from..

Uruguay...Tunisia..long walk home!!

 

[longview]

Read more @: 6 Gitmo detainees arrive in Uruguay for resettlement

About damn time. Finally more and more prisoners who have not been charged with anything, and have been cleared to release have finally been released. Good move, and this facility is long overdue to be closed. Its a stain on America. [/FONT][/COLOR]

I wonder how long it will be before one of these turn up on a battlefield, shooting at us or our allies,
or preforms some act of terrorism?

 

[upsideguy]

I wonder how long it will be before one of these turn up on a battlefield, shooting at us or our allies,
or preforms some act of terrorism?

When you lock them up for 14 years without trial, its foolish to think that hate does not grow within them. I think its fair to expect they might return to harm us. We never should have treated that way in the first place.

Gitmo might have been Al Qaeda's number #1 recruiting tool (that and Iraq). Foolish is as foolish does. Glad to see that the era of America behaving badly is winding down, albeit way too late. It was hard to laud the Marines for dying for our freedoms so US citizens could give up their freedoms so they would not die. The last decade was truly a dark period in US political history.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/12/05/p...-bush-terrorism-policies/index.html?hpt=po_r1

Maybe one day the world will forgive us and we can once again claim a moral high ground.

 

[Perotista]

Read more @: 6 Gitmo detainees arrive in Uruguay for resettlement

About damn time. Finally more and more prisoners who have not been charged with anything, and have been cleared to release have finally been released. Good move, and this facility is long overdue to be closed. Its a stain on America. [/FONT][/COLOR]

There is a 30% rate in which those we release from GITMO goes back to the battlefield. A military man wonders why would you release a single one more with that rate. Isn't it enough you captured these guys once, now you are asking the military to do it twice all the while putting those who serve in the military in a more dangerous position than if they had remained contained.

Perhaps a soldier would be better served just killing them all to begin with and thus ensuring they, the GITMO detainees do not return to the battlefield. Much like the drone program, kill but do not capture. That is the message being sent. From a military perspective.

 

[Grant]

There is a 30% rate in which those we release from GITMO goes back to the battlefield. A military man wonders why would you release a single one more with that rate. Isn't it enough you captured these guys once, now you are asking the military to do it twice all the while putting those who serve in the military in a more dangerous position than if they had remained contained.

Perhaps a soldier would be better served just killing them all to begin with and thus ensuring they, the GITMO detainees do not return to the battlefield. Much like the drone program, kill but do not capture. That is the message being sent. From a military perspective.

In fact they are killing them rather than having them return to Gitmo for their possible release and then later murdering more Americans and their Allies. And a good thing too.

It's surprising how many Americans, leftists of course, who do support the terrorists.

 

[Perotista]

In fact they are killing them rather than having them return to Gitmo for their possible release and then later murdering more Americans and their Allies. And a good thing too.

It's surprising how many Americans, leftists of course, who do support the terrorists.

I wouldn't go that far. But if you don't want to have to face them, fight them twice, better to kill them than capture them. Then perhaps your chances of making it home to see the wife and kids are improved a bit.

But then the downside of not capturing them is you can't learn anything from them. But you can't learn anything from a terrorist killed by a drone either. Same, same I guess.

 

[Hard Truth]

I wonder how long it will be before one of these turn up on a battlefield, shooting at us or our allies,
or preforms some act of terrorism?

The percentage of released Guantanamo prisoners that have been involved in war or terrorism after release is lower than the recidivism rate of ordinary prisoners in the USA. That is pretty amazing since I think many of use would want to attack a country that wrongly held us prisoner without a trial for over ten years and tortured us.

 

[apdst]

When you lock them up for 14 years without trial, its foolish to think that hate does not grow within them. I think its fair to expect they might return to harm us. We never should have treated that way in the first place.

Gitmo might have been Al Qaeda's number #1 recruiting tool (that and Iraq). Foolish is as foolish does. Glad to see that the era of America behaving badly is winding down, albeit way too late. It was hard to laud the Marines for dying for our freedoms so US citizens could give up their freedoms so they would not die. The last decade was truly a dark period in US political history.

Senate torture report restarts fight on terror policy - CNN.com

Maybe one day the world will forgive us and we can once again claim a moral high ground.

How many of the prisoners we took during WW2 were charged wit anything?

 

[Hatuey]

How many of the prisoners we took during WW2 were charged wit anything?

List of Axis personnel indicted for war crimes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'd say a few.

 

[Napoleon]

There is a 30% rate in which those we release from GITMO goes back to the battlefield. A military man wonders why would you release a single one more with that rate. Isn't it enough you captured these guys once, now you are asking the military to do it twice all the while putting those who serve in the military in a more dangerous position than if they had remained contained.

Many of the people detained at GITMO weren't captured on a battlefield and had nothing to do with Al Qaeda or the Taliban. They were purchased by the U.S. military from bounty hunters who were kidnapping civilians and selling them to the U.S. as "terrorists" for $5,000 a head no questions asked.

 

[poweRob]

Many of the people detained at GITMO weren't captured on a battlefield and had nothing to do with Al Qaeda or the Taliban. They were purchased by the U.S. military from bounty hunters who were kidnapping civilians and selling them to the U.S. as "terrorists" for $5,000 a head no questions asked.

They were also rivalry clans over there turning in one another with cartloads of lies just to get rid of their local opposition and make money doing it.

 

[upsideguy]

How many of the prisoners we took during WW2 were charged wit anything?

Very bad analogy. WWII was a real war with a definable enemy, people in uniform, a declaration of war against a real political entity and most importantly, a real and definable "victory" (an end point), which occurred within 5 years of our involvement. All most none of those attributes are true here.

The "war on terror" is much more like the "war on drugs", where everything is ambiguous. You can't just decide some guy is a threat to you and give him a life sentence. If you can not define victory, you do not have a real war, and you have no business acting like it is.

...as to your direct question, virtually all WWII prisoners of war were "charged" with being soldiers (with serial numbers and uniforms) of the enemy. There was little "surprise" on their part when they were interned.

 

[upsideguy]

Many of the people detained at GITMO weren't captured on a battlefield and had nothing to do with Al Qaeda or the Taliban. They were purchased by the U.S. military from bounty hunters who were kidnapping civilians and selling them to the U.S. as "terrorists" for $5,000 a head no questions asked.

A pretty big claim. Your cite for that is???? Not at all doubting that could or did happen. I just want the claim backed-up.

 

[CanadaJohn]

When you lock them up for 14 years without trial, its foolish to think that hate does not grow within them. I think its fair to expect they might return to harm us.

See, that's what makes us different from them. How many people in the US have been unfairly locked up, in some cases for far more than 14 years? Have any of them come out of prison, when finally cleared, and immediately gone on a murderous rampage for revenge?

 

[Kobie]

There is a 30% rate in which those we release from GITMO goes back to the battlefield. A military man wonders why would you release a single one more with that rate. Isn't it enough you captured these guys once, now you are asking the military to do it twice all the while putting those who serve in the military in a more dangerous position than if they had remained contained.

Perhaps a soldier would be better served just killing them all to begin with and thus ensuring they, the GITMO detainees do not return to the battlefield. Much like the drone program, kill but do not capture. That is the message being sent. From a military perspective.

Actually, a 30% recidivism rate is about half of the one we have here in the U.S. Small sample size regarding Gitmo, but still.

America

 

[Kobie]

In fact they are killing them rather than having them return to Gitmo for their possible release and then later murdering more Americans and their Allies. And a good thing too.

It's surprising how many Americans, leftists of course, who do support the terrorists.

Not disagreeing with the release of people who have never been charged with any sort of crime = "support the terrorists."

What color is the sky in your world?

 

[Kobie]

See, that's what makes us different from them. How many people in the US have been unfairly locked up, in some cases for far more than 14 years? Have any of them come out of prison, when finally cleared, and immediately gone on a murderous rampage for revenge?

The people who get let out of prison here aren't shipped off to South America to go to one of THEIR prisons.

 

[CanadaJohn]

The people who get let out of prison here aren't shipped off to South America to go to one of THEIR prisons.

That wasn't the point - many here have been claiming that they should just be released from Gitmo to go on their merry way and if they attacked Americans again, well hey, no big deal because they were mistreated so it's to be expected.

 

[Kobie]

That wasn't the point - many here have been claiming that they should just be released from Gitmo to go on their merry way and if they attacked Americans again, well hey, no big deal because they were mistreated so it's to be expected.

No, what's being claimed is that those people have a reason to be pissed, and those claiming it aren't necessarily wrong.

 

[tres borrachos]

When you lock them up for 14 years without trial, its foolish to think that hate does not grow within them. I think its fair to expect they might return to harm us. We never should have treated that way in the first place.

Gitmo might have been Al Qaeda's number #1 recruiting tool (that and Iraq). Foolish is as foolish does. Glad to see that the era of America behaving badly is winding down, albeit way too late. It was hard to laud the Marines for dying for our freedoms so US citizens could give up their freedoms so they would not die. The last decade was truly a dark period in US political history.

Senate torture report restarts fight on terror policy - CNN.com

Maybe one day the world will forgive us and we can once again claim a moral high ground.

Interesting. The Gitmo prison was set up in 2002 and since then we've had no Al Qaeda attacks on this country. We invaded Iraq in 2002 and since then we've had no Al Qaeda attacks on this country.

Prior to 2002 we had 2 very large Al Qaeda attacks on this country, and Al Qaeda operatives spending years in this country plotting the death of Americans and destruction of our cities/buildings/infrastructure. What was the #1 recruiting tool that was used then?

 

[Blue_State]

Many of the people detained at GITMO weren't captured on a battlefield and had nothing to do with Al Qaeda or the Taliban. They were purchased by the U.S. military from bounty hunters who were kidnapping civilians and selling them to the U.S. as "terrorists" for $5,000 a head no questions asked.

Where is this info from? First time hearing it.

 

[Bergslagstroll]

Where is this info from? First time hearing it.

Here is one report from Amnesty about the bounty progam.

More than 85 percent of detainees at Guantanamo Bay were arrested, not on the Afghanistan battlefield by US forces, but by the Northern Alliance fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan, and in Pakistan at a time when rewards of up to US$5,000 were paid for every 'terrorist' turned over to the United States.

Bounties paid for terror suspects - Amnesty International Australia

That I believe that this have been one of the biggest problem with the war on terror. That when you have a soo clear evil that caused thousands of civilian Americans their life, when it's easy just labeling all the prisoners in Gitmo as evil terrorists that don't deserve trials and don't deserve a good treatment. Leading to no check and balance of the action of USA goverment and thereby imprisonment of innocent people for over a decade.

 

[Perotista]

Actually, a 30% recidivism rate is about half of the one we have here in the U.S. Small sample size regarding Gitmo, but still.

America

Like so many things in life, it all depends on how one looks at things. One's perspective. A soldier knows if 10 Gitmo detainees are released, 3 will return and try to kill him for a second time. When one of those 30% returnees to the battlefield kills an American soldier, an allied soldier, even an Afghani civilian or someone else, who is responsible for his death? The returnee or the one who let him free?

As for the civilian world, I never looked at jails, prisons as places of trying to change one's behavior or an re-education camp, there is a word I am looking for here and I can think of it. I always looked at jails, prisons etc. as a place that keep robbers, drug dealers, murders, etc. off the street so they won't be doing what they did again or at least until their sentence is up.

Same with the death penalty, it guarantees who ever was put to death will not kill anyone anymore.

 

[apdst]

Very bad analogy. WWII was a real war with a definable enemy, people in uniform, a declaration of war against a real political entity and most importantly, a real and definable "victory" (an end point), which occurred within 5 years of our involvement. All most none of those attributes are true here.

The "war on terror" is much more like the "war on drugs", where everything is ambiguous. You can't just decide some guy is a threat to you and give him a life sentence. If you can not define victory, you do not have a real war, and you have no business acting like it is.

...as to your direct question, virtually all WWII prisoners of war were "charged" with being soldiers (with serial numbers and uniforms) of the enemy. There was little "surprise" on their part when they were interned.

How many barbary pirates were charged?