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Satanic Temple display approved for Florida Capitol

Kal'Stang said:
The real BS here is that I would bet $1000 those Satanists aren't even real Satanists. They're athiests doing all that they can to stick it to religion. From their M.O. they seem to target Christians more than any other though.
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Which other religions insist on putting their displays on public property?
 
Papa bull said:
Right. Another member put it quite accurately by characterizing them as the trolls of the religious sphere. :)
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They are trolls and its a good thing

Every court decision they win helps reinforce that the government can't discriminate and favor specific religions due to that dang constitution
 
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tacomancer said:
They are trolls and its a good thing

Every court decision they win helps reinforce that the government can't discriminate and favor specific religions due to that dang constitution
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You don't need satanists to win for the constitution to provide that protection and having Jewish or Christian icons of the holiday on display during the holiday season aren't proof the government is sponsoring religion. It's just proof that people like you get your panties in a bunch because other people believe in something you don't and because you're such a control freak, you want to try to stop them.
 
Papa bull said:
You don't need satanists to win for the constitution to provide that protection and having Jewish or Christian icons of the holiday on display during the holiday season aren't proof the government is sponsoring religion. It's just proof that people like you get your panties in a bunch because other people believe in something you don't and because you're such a control freak, you want to try to stop them.
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You have too many wackos in places of authority who think this is a "Christian nation" that need to be knocked down a peg on frequent occasions, lest they get a real opportunity to ruin this country

These guys are providing a valuable service and help maintain religious freedom, with the added benefit of being funny

People like me? Please lay out your assumptions and reasoning behind that comment so I can find your error
 
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tacomancer said:
You have too many wackos in places of authority who think this is a "Christian nation" that need to be knocked down a peg on frequent occasions, lest they get a real opportunity to ruin this country

These guys are providing a valuable service and help maintain religious freedom, with the added benefit of being funny

People like me? Please lay out your assumptions and reasoning behind that comment so I can find your error
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I think it's a knee-jerk reaction by militant atheists that doesn't actually accomplish anything of real value, including "protecting our religious freedom", which isn't in jeopardy, anyway. They're doing it just to piss off Christians and, I suppose, that's their prerogative, but it's silly to characterize it as anything but childish and petty.
 
Papa bull said:
I think it's a knee-jerk reaction by militant atheists that doesn't actually accomplish anything of real value, including "protecting our religious freedom", which isn't in jeopardy, anyway. They're doing it just to piss off Christians and, I suppose, that's their prerogative, but it's silly to characterize it as anything but childish and petty.
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No, they're drawing attention to exactly the sort of thinking we see in this thread:

There are Christians who really think the first amendment only applies to their religion. For further evidence, hop over to the thread about the rejected mosque.
 
Papa bull said:
I think it's a knee-jerk reaction by militant atheists that doesn't actually accomplish anything of real value, including "protecting our religious freedom", which isn't in jeopardy, anyway. They're doing it just to piss off Christians and, I suppose, that's their prerogative, but it's silly to characterize it as anything but childish and petty.
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OK here is a list of your errors that lead to your accusation.


1. I am not an athiest
2. I have no desire to piss off Christians, except the ones that seek to impose their morality on others, even them I don't want to piss them off, but want to hopefully impart some wisdom that they lack, which is that this is a free country. (Digsbe is a good example of the wisdom they need, he stays reasonable yet nobody is going to doubt his faith)
3. Religious freedom will always need to be protected so long as people like WCH or paleocon seek to impose their agenda)

OK now that you have been corrected, please try again
 
twixie1 said:
I would really like to see their propoganda...

Here is Ba'al...who we sacrifice new born infants to..

Isn't he cute?
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Why should you care....if you don't follow their religion, and follow yours, then you are fine....unless your faith is on such shaky ground....
 
Papa bull said:
I think it's a knee-jerk reaction by militant atheists that doesn't actually accomplish anything of real value, including "protecting our religious freedom", which isn't in jeopardy, anyway. They're doing it just to piss off Christians and, I suppose, that's their prerogative, but it's silly to characterize it as anything but childish and petty.
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And that is what they would say about that Nativity. There are plenty of places to express your religion without using public lands.
 
iguanaman said:
And that is what they would say about that Nativity. There are plenty of places to express your religion without using public lands.
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Christmas is a national holiday and throwing a fit over some nativity scene in town square just because it makes you feel all butt-hurt that people have religious beliefs is just childish as hell. And don't worry; I don't think you nor anyone else can cite a single incidence of poor, innocent atheists falling to their knees in a blinding revelation of faith just because they saw a nativity scene. It's not like it's going to turn honest upstanding heathens into horrible born again bible thumpers.
 
tacomancer said:
OK here is a list of your errors that lead to your accusation.


1. I am not an athiest
2. I have no desire to piss off Christians, except the ones that seek to impose their morality on others, even them I don't want to piss them off, but want to hopefully impart some wisdom that they lack, which is that this is a free country. (Digsbe is a good example of the wisdom they need, he stays reasonable yet nobody is going to doubt his faith)
3. Religious freedom will always need to be protected so long as people like WCH or paleocon seek to impose their agenda)

OK now that you have been corrected, please try again
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OK, let me correct your erroneous "corrections".

1. I didn't say that YOU were an atheist. I don't know whether you are or are not so I made no such assumption.
2. Since I didn't say that YOU were an atheist #2 doesn't apply at all.
3. Nothing I said should be construed to mean that religious freedom shouldn't be protected. The constitution and Bill of Rights handles that.
4. Until I see evidence that WCH or Paelocon are trying to force you to practice their religion, I can only assume that your claims that they are must be the result of some sort of irrational paranoia on your part.

Nice try, but that was three swings and three misses. You struck out. Better luck next time.
 
Deuce said:
No, they're drawing attention to exactly the sort of thinking we see in this thread:

There are Christians who really think the first amendment only applies to their religion. For further evidence, hop over to the thread about the rejected mosque.
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Why are you so obsessed with what Christians think? The first amendment applies to everyone and that can't and won't change just because of anything you think they think. So why do you really believe that what you say you think about what they think is such a great big fat hairy deal?
 
Kal'Stang said:
The real BS here is that I would bet $1000 those Satanists aren't even real Satanists. They're athiests doing all that they can to stick it to religion. From their M.O. they seem to target Christians more than any other though.
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How are Christians being "targeted?" The mere presence of having a Satanic display in the same presence as a Christian one is "targeting" them? If you excuse the expression but it seems to me that Christians must be the most faithless spoiled brats ever.
 
Papa bull said:
Why are you so obsessed with what Christians think? The first amendment applies to everyone and that can't and won't change just because of anything you think they think. So why do you really believe that what you say you think about what they think is such a great big fat hairy deal?
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Hop over to the thread about the mosque that was blocked.

It matters what Christians think because despite all the phony "war on Christianity" rhetoric in this country, Christians actually manage to stomp on the freedom of others in this country.
 
Papa bull said:
OK, let me correct your erroneous "corrections".

1. I didn't say that YOU were an atheist. I don't know whether you are or are not so I made no such assumption.

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people like you
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uhh huh, any other lies you want to tell?

Papa bull said:
2. Since I didn't say that YOU were an atheist #2 doesn't apply at all.
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I guess you do

Papa bull said:
3. Nothing I said should be construed to mean that religious freedom shouldn't be protected. The constitution and Bill of Rights handles that.
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and we have judges in high places like roy moore who prefer a perverted first amendment, so yes its in danger.

Ala. Chief Justice Roy Moore Says First Amendment Applies to Christians Only?

Papa bull said:
4. Until I see evidence that WCH or Paelocon are trying to force you to practice their religion, I can only assume that your claims that they are must be the result of some sort of irrational paranoia on your part.
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WCH:

WCH said:
There are now cartoons and children's books/movies propagandizing homosexual relationships and SSM. It's not about changing the channel any longer. There's no place this filth doesn't exist.

This is an all out war for our children's souls and morality in general, IMHO.
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and Paleocon:

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CLAX1911 said:
So you would enforce this the same way you would enforce say drinking in public? How would you catch anybody, how would you prove anything?

It isn't realistic midst people have sex in private. And wasting time outlawing something that you feel is wrong doesn't benefit society at all.
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The same way other laws against private sexual conduct are enforced.
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Care to try again?

Papa bull said:
Nice try, but that was three swings and three misses. You struck out. Better luck next time.
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I think the funniest part about this statement is you counted to 4.
 
Somerville said:
What do you think? Has "religious freedom" gone too far? Some people don't think it should happen -- Satanists Win the Right to Place ‘Grossly Offensive’ Holiday Display Next to the Nativity Inside Florida’s Capitol
Anybody want to bet that some "real Amurrican" will deface or damage the display?
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Jonathan Gruber was right and The Stupids really are taking over the country.

Idiot America: How Stupidity Became a Virtue in the Land of the Free: Charles P. Pierce: 9780767926157: Amazon.com: Books
 
tacomancer said:
uhh huh, any other lies you want to tell?
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Lame stuff there, tacodancer. Here was the quote in context "It's just proof that people like you get your panties in a bunch because other people believe in something you don't and because you're such a control freak, you want to try to stop them."

You do have your panties in a bunch because of what other people believe. But I didn't call you an atheist. I don't know what you believe. So why don't you quit calling me names, especially since you've got zero basis for it. At this point, you're just engaging in libel.

If anyone is lying, it's you trying to assert that I said you were an atheist. I did not do that and it's clear to me that you know that since you obviously had to go through and try to find something to support your false claim and found nothing but a snippet to which you have created a false context.

You need to raise your game.
 
Papa bull said:
Lame stuff there, tacodancer. Here was the quote in context "It's just proof that people like you get your panties in a bunch because other people believe in something you don't and because you're such a control freak, you want to try to stop them."

You do have your panties in a bunch because of what other people believe. But I didn't call you an atheist. I don't know what you believe. So why don't you quit calling me names, especially since you've got zero basis for it. At this point, you're just engaging in libel.

If anyone is lying, it's you trying to assert that I said you were an atheist. I did not do that and it's clear to me that you know that since you obviously had to go through and try to find something to support your false claim and found nothing but a snippet to which you have created a false context.

You need to raise your game.
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Dude. Its OK, we all make mistakes, but you are making it worse by lying about it. If you had simply ponied up, it would have been no big deal.




Papa bull said:
I think it's a knee-jerk reaction by militant atheists that doesn't actually accomplish anything of real value, including "protecting our religious freedom", which isn't in jeopardy, anyway. They're doing it just to piss off Christians and, I suppose, that's their prerogative, but it's silly to characterize it as anything but childish and petty.
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Papa bull said:
You don't need satanists to win for the constitution to provide that protection and having Jewish or Christian icons of the holiday on display during the holiday season aren't proof the government is sponsoring religion. It's just proof that people like you get your panties in a bunch because other people believe in something you don't and because you're such a control freak, you want to try to stop them.
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Anyway, militant athiests ... People like you. It was indirect, but you made an erroneous assumption that I decided to have some fun with.

So yeah you are hot and bothered and indignant now, but just be a man and admit to an occasional mistake. I forgive you anyway

:)
 
tacomancer said:
Dude. Its OK, we all make mistakes, but you are making it worse by lying about it. If you had simply ponied up, it would have been no big deal.










Anyway, militant athiests ... People like you. It was indirect, but you made an erroneous assumption that I decided to have some fun with.

So yeah you are hot and bothered and indignant now, but just be a man and admit to an occasional mistake. I forgive you anyway

:)
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It's not indirect. It's not there at all. People like you applaud what people like them are doing. And the "people like them" are the atheists posing as Satanists to try to make a point. When you hit rock bottom, stop digging. Or at least that's what you should be doing instead of reaching for the pickaxe and having a go at the rock bottom. Just sayin'.
 
Papa bull said:
It's not indirect. It's not there at all. People like you applaud what people like them are doing. And the "people like them" are the atheists posing as Satanists to try to make a point. When you hit rock bottom, stop digging. Or at least that's what you should be doing instead of reaching for the pickaxe and having a go at the rock bottom. Just sayin'.
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papa bull was caught like this
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Fenton said:
Your definition of " reason and logic " still cannot disprove the existence of a Creator.

Also, I've read a few of your post. Your far from reasonable and logic escapes you on a daily basis.

Maybe you're not the right poster to be lecturing others on reason.
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It can't disprove a creator, it also can't disprove unicorns. Good thing that rational people don't just believe in things that cannot be disproven, but only in things for which there is objective evidence.

That's something your imaginary creator doesn't have.
 
Papa bull said:
Christmas is a national holiday and throwing a fit over some nativity scene in town square just because it makes you feel all butt-hurt that people have religious beliefs is just childish as hell. And don't worry; I don't think you nor anyone else can cite a single incidence of poor, innocent atheists falling to their knees in a blinding revelation of faith just because they saw a nativity scene. It's not like it's going to turn honest upstanding heathens into horrible born again bible thumpers.
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Papa bull said:
Christmas is a national holiday and throwing a fit over some nativity scene in town square just because it makes you feel all butt-hurt that people have religious beliefs is just childish as hell. And don't worry; I don't think you nor anyone else can cite a single incidence of poor, innocent atheists falling to their knees in a blinding revelation of faith just because they saw a nativity scene. It's not like it's going to turn honest upstanding heathens into horrible born again bible thumpers.
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Christmas is a national SECULAR holiday that SOME PEOPLE celebrate with a religious component but the overwhelming majority of people celebrate secularly. If you want to put up a display of Santa Claus and reindeer, nobody would complain.

Geez, you're clueless.
 
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