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Protests in support of Eric Garner erupt in New York and elsewhere

Re: "Michael Brown's virus" has already infected the NY city.

j-mac said:
From what I see of this crap so far is that these incidents have been hijacked in favor of the narrative of the moment...For instance, hustlers like Sharpton, and Jackson want to hijack them for their own aggrandizement and enrichment...the Occupy movement (or American Communist movement) wants to foment chaos, and anarchy to overthrow the system of Capitalism. And now we have those anti establishment types railing against law enforcement in very general terms as if these metro areas would be all better without law enforcement. Ridiculous.

All of these people are noise as far as I am concerned. NONE of them will live to the day when they see what they think would make things better. And for all of our sake, I hope they never gain popularity in their opinions.
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Less we forget the lessons of WW2
 
Re: "Michael Brown's virus" has already infected the NY city.

There was an opportunity for some high comedy with these protests. They could have all lit up loosies in public buildings, I'd suggest in the mayor's offices. At least I could have had a good laugh. :mrgreen:
 
Re: "Michael Brown's virus" has already infected the NY city.

ReverendHellh0und said:
so trespassing and street blocking is violence?


and therefore, treason?


You would have them all killed?
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The "small government" conservatives are coming out of the woodwork lately. ;)
 
Misterveritis said:
What did you intend to say?
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what a nonsensical statement. Don't just spout nonsensical jiberish.

Obviously I intended to way exactly what I said. Ie disprove all that bs you wrote, and explain why your statements are VERY racist.

Because of the ACA? can't be that the ACA was a HUGE windfall for insurance company's, and although it did help people get insured, its corporatism not Marxism. If he were a Marxist he would have outlawed insurance company's and made them public. Then he would have outlawed corporations and made some things public (like food, healthcare, schools, and other things everybody needs) and the rest cooperatively owned. Marxism and socialism means you want the people to control the means of production, not private entity's.

Do you even know what a Marxist or socialist is? Apparently not...

The Islamofascists in Iran will have nuclear weapons very soon now.
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Well IF they do l, that's all bushes fault. Bush turned down a deal from them where they would have opened their borders to inspectors and discontinued their nuclear programs except for power distribution. So again, that's on bush 100%

Furthermore even if they did make a nuke (which I highly doubt they will) they certainly will not be able to make a intercontinental missile or delivery system. So that's really not concerning to us at home anyway...

Wtf is a islamofascist? Making up words now? Who has English as a second language?

FYI fascism is akin to corporatism. Socialism/marxism are polar opposites fascism.

The Caliphate grows in Syria and Iraq. Thanks Obama.
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wow I see you have no idea what your talking about.

Assad is still in control of Syria. He is Christian.

The Muslims can't even agree on who the caliphate is, they actually have been fighting over it since Muhammad's death. That's what the whole Sunni v shia thing is about. Its a argument about who should take control since Muhammad died!

They have been arguing about this for like 1500 years now! Their are multiple people that call themselves caliphate, that all fight with each other!

Furthermore the caliphate is something like the pope. Its a religious leader and his followers. Saying "the caliphate is growing" in negative context is just putting your xenophobia on display...

Which caliphate?!?!
 
Misterveritis said:
What did you intend to say?
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That your post was silly, (but not as silly as this one!) And that I saw no reason for you to even say it?


You do realize that you are boring, don't you? The majority of the looter sere black. It is a fact when I say it and it is a fact when, a few sentences later you admitted it.
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You do realize your ignorance is showing right?



Of course he is Marxist. And he is an Islamofascist supporter. Just look at all the good he has done in the Middle East.
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No he is not. What Marxist policy's has he initiated? None. A Marxist/socialist is somebody that believes the people should control the means of production. No more, no less. Obama has not enacted a single policy to this end.

And don't even try to say the ACA was Marxist/socialist because your just wrong. It did help some people, but it was a corporatist policy because it helped the insurance company's the most, and because it doesn't provide any better care or help to put the healthcare system in the hands of the people. It could also be considered a fascist policy because of the symbiosis it forms between state and corporation.

Wtf is a islamofascist? Making up words now eh?

He can't be a Marxist and a fascist. Their mutually exclusive terms. Again Marxists believe in getting rid of corporations entirely and putting the means of production into the hands of the people. Fascists believe in a symbiosis of corporations and government, a strong powerful ruler, and generally racism and nationality being very important. they are polar opposites. Again he can't be both and your ignorance is shining through... Although allot of people missuse the term "fascism"

Ummmmm he's trying to clean up the mess bush started in the middle east... Its a mess. Hard to fix... Bush and conservatives started that mess, to put it at Obamas feet is extraordinarily unfair and incorrect.

He did confound it more by giving them weapons in Syria, then again I am pretty sure the CIA/KGB/military industrial complex started that whole thing with the nerve gas, so really that's corporations and intelligent's faults...

The Islamofascists in Iran will have nuclear weapons very soon now. Thanks Obama.
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Actually that's all on bush to.

When he was in office the Iranian government sent him a deal to end their nuclear weapons program, and to open borders to inspectors, in exchange for ending the embargo. Bush threw it out for no apparent reason, even though it was a sweetheart deal.

Don't give me any of that bs about not negotiating with terrorists, because bush's dad, your beloved (and evil) Regan, and the us government did just that during Iran contra.

The Caliphate grows in Syria and Iraq. Thanks Obama.
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First of all Syria is still ruled by Assad. A christian. So your really not making sense now...

So you don't know what the caliphate is do you?

The caliphate is supposed to be the equivalency of the pope. To say it growing in negative terms is to show your rampant xenophobia...

Furthermore their are multiple caliphates. Which one? The shia one? The Sunni one? Those are the main ones, and they have been fighting about who the rightful one is for ohhhhh say 1500 years or so... Since Muhammad died. Literally!

I don't know why you would worry about a caliphate, or which one your even talking about!

FYI don't watch fox. It rots the mind.
 
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"What did you intend to say?"
b_dubz said:
what a nonsensical statement. Don't just spout nonsensical jiberish.

Obviously I intended to way exactly what I said. Ie disprove all that bs you wrote, and explain why your statements are VERY racist.
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Hmmm. So when I say most of the looters were black it is racist?
But when you say of course most of the looters were black it is proof that my statement is racist?

Awesome!
 
Misterveritis said:
"What did you intend to say?"


Hmmm. So when I say most of the looters were black it is racist?
But when you say of course most of the looters were black it is proof that my statement is racist?

Awesome!
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To say most of the looters were black without stating the extenuating circumstances of who lives their and that if looting is going on in that city that the looters will obviously be black is racist yes. I like how you didn't respond to any of the rest of the post, where I eviscerate all your other nonsense...

What's wrong with the caliphate? That's another example of your extreme xenophobia thinking theirs something inherently bad about a caliphate...

Also your posts are proof of your general racism.
 
""What did you intend to say?"


Hmmm. So when I say most of the looters were black it is racist?
But when you say of course most of the looters were black it is proof that my statement is racist?

Awesome!"
b_dubz said:
To say most of the looters were black without stating the extenuating circumstances of who lives their and that if looting is going on in that city that the looters will obviously be black is racist yes. I like how you didn't respond to any of the rest of the post, where I evicerate all your other nonsense...
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Given your enormous failure in the first paragraph I did not read any of the rest of it.

Should I?
 
Misterveritis said:
""What did you intend to say?"


Hmmm. So when I say most of the looters were black it is racist?
But when you say of course most of the looters were black it is proof that my statement is racist?

Awesome!"

Given your enormous failure in the first paragraph I did not read any of the rest of it.

Should I?
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Yea failure right... Go on with your racism then thinking its not... You will realize it one day when somebody hits you for saying something offensive I am sure...

Again what's wrong with a caliphate per say? Let's see how deep your xenophobia goes...
 
What did you intend to say?"

Hmmm. So when I say most of the looters were black it is racist?
But when you say of course most of the looters were black it is proof that my statement is racist?

Awesome!"

Given your enormous failure in the first paragraph I did not read any of the rest of it.

Should I?"
b_dubz said:
Yea failure right... Go on with your racism then thinking its not... You will realize it one day when somebody hits you for saying something offensive I am sure...

Again what's wrong with a caliphate per say? Let's see how deep your xenophobia goes...
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This requires nothing else. Just reread what I wrote above.
 
Misterveritis said:
What did you intend to say?"

Hmmm. So when I say most of the looters were black it is racist?
But when you say of course most of the looters were black it is proof that my statement is racist?

Awesome!"

Given your enormous failure in the first paragraph I did not read any of the rest of it.

Should I?"

This requires nothing else. Just reread what I wrote above.
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What you wrote above is a absurd defense of your racist statement. Stop trying to pass it off as logic. Anyone with half a brain will see right through it...

Furthermore its racist because you don't mention that the vast majority of protestors weren't looting, and that some where even protecting buissness from looters.

Your basically lying by omission.

Again what's so bad about a caliphate? Do you even know what a caliphate is??
 
"What did you intend to say?

Hmmm. So when I say most of the looters were black it is racist?
But when you say of course most of the looters were black it is proof that my statement is racist?

Awesome!

Given your enormous failure in the first paragraph I did not read any of the rest of it.

Should I?

This requires nothing else. Just reread what I wrote above."
b_dubz said:
What you wrote above is a absurd defense of your racist statement. Stop trying to pass it off as logic. Anyone with half a brain will see right through it...

Furthermore its racist because you don't mention that the vast majority of protestors weren't looting, and that some where even protecting buissness from looters.

Your basically lying by omission.

Again what's so bad about a caliphate? Do you even know what a caliphate is??
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You do know you have already lost, don't you?
 
Misterveritis said:
"What did you intend to say?

Hmmm. So when I say most of the looters were black it is racist?
But when you say of course most of the looters were black it is proof that my statement is racist?

Awesome!

Given your enormous failure in the first paragraph I did not read any of the rest of it.

Should I?

This requires nothing else. Just reread what I wrote above."


You do know you have already lost, don't you?
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Hahhahaa

You know you come off as a bigot in these posts right?

What's a caliphate again?
 
Re: "Michael Brown's virus" has already infected the NY city.

apdst said:
What rights should cops forfeit?
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That's not what I'm suggesting.
 
Phys251 said:
Never ask an honest question if you're not prepared to receive an honest answer.

First, the cartoon focuses on the looters more than the nonviolent protesters. Yet the looters represented a tiny fraction of the overall population of Ferguson, if they were even residents and not people from out-of-town. And where are all the political cartoons about the Ferguson library that has become a refuge of peace? Or some of the churches? Or some of the residents' homes? I guess that doesn't fit the corporate media's narrative of the big scary black man.

Second, I wonder how many political cartoons Mr. Cagle has done exposing the hopelessness, despair, and righteous anger that pervades the black community. Does he have the slightest idea what it's like to know that one could be the next Michael Brown? Or Eric Garner? Or Trayvon Martin? Does he know what it's like to have his resume rejected not because of his lack of credentials but because of his name? Or be less hireable than a white person with a criminal record, even if he is lucky enough not to have fallen into the prison-industrial complex? And none of this gives any deference to the system of power that keeps blacks "in their place," simply because you and I will never ever be able to truly understand the powerful psychological toll it has on its targets.

If you choose to not see this, then you choose to understand none of the issues surrounding race at all. But, you have the privilege of doing that. Lucky you!
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Quick question: How many people were in the protest group in the cartoon? And how many were looting? Were the majority not on the side of the protestors? No, they weren't. And when people like you and others call this cartoon as racially motivated, all it serves to demonstrate to me is that you want to deny that their aren't those that are thugs and choose to exploit this situation to their advantage. This point of course is only highlighted when you try and pretend those looters weren't from there. I've known many blacks that have made it, so don't give me this bull**** about "oh it's so hard! they can't make it because the white man is stopping them!"

Tell that to Barack Obama. Or Oprah Winfrey. Or Ursula Burns.
 
Hamster Buddha said:
Quick question: How many people were in the protest group in the cartoon? And how many were looting? Were the majority not on the side of the protestors? No, they weren't. And when people like you and others call this cartoon as racially motivated, all it serves to demonstrate to me is that you want to deny that their aren't those that are thugs and choose to exploit this situation to their advantage. This point of course is only highlighted when you try and pretend those looters weren't from there. I've known many blacks that have made it, so don't give me this bull**** about "oh it's so hard! they can't make it because the white man is stopping them!"

Tell that to Barack Obama. Or Oprah Winfrey. Or Ursula Burns.
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Ummmm it has allot more to do with wealth than color these days. All those people grew up with a good amount of wealth (and by that I mean not dirt poor) conversely the majority of dirt poor people in America are black, largely due to racist policy's of the past.

Furthermore it is racist because their are like 8 people protesting and two looting. Theirs should have been a huge crowd protesting and two looting as that would show the real numbers better.

Its also racist because their should have been a large group of people blocking the looters, as their was allot of people (more than the looters) protecting stores as well.

It is racist. Just get over it.
 
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Hamster Buddha said:
Quick question: How many people were in the protest group in the cartoon? And how many were looting? Were the majority not on the side of the protestors? No, they weren't. And when people like you and others call this cartoon as racially motivated, all it serves to demonstrate to me is that you want to deny that their aren't those that are thugs and choose to exploit this situation to their advantage. This point of course is only highlighted when you try and pretend those looters weren't from there. I've known many blacks that have made it, so don't give me this bull**** about "oh it's so hard! they can't make it because the white man is stopping them!"

Tell that to Barack Obama. Or Oprah Winfrey. Or Ursula Burns.
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Never talk about the tip of the iceberg without at least acknowledging the rest of the berg. Or better yet, understanding how and why the iceberg formed in the first place.
 
Phys251 said:
Never talk about the tip of the iceberg without at least acknowledging the rest of the berg. Or better yet, understanding how and why the iceberg formed in the first place.
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I've argued this elsewhere (perhaps even to you, I've responded to 20 replies in the last hour so I've lost track), but I'll state it again. Racism, in terms of considering your race is superior to another's, accounts for 10% of the fault in this issue, maybe even 20%. There are far larger issues facing the black community today that is the reason for holding them back; from a general lack of respect from authority among young blacks, the level of crime (specifically drug crime) in these communities, and the lack of availability to the same quality of education afforded to whites, all of these play a much bigger role in holding back today's blacks than some view that hasn't been shared by the majority of Americans for over fifty years.
 
Hamster Buddha said:
I've argued this elsewhere (perhaps even to you, I've responded to 20 replies in the last hour so I've lost track), but I'll state it again. Racism, in terms of considering your race is superior to another's
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This is an outdated idea of "racism." And if you disagree with the established definition of systems and actions that serve to oppress and impede the progress of people of color, do you have a different term for that phenomenon?

accounts for 10% of the fault in this issue, maybe even 20%. There are far larger issues facing the black community today that is the reason for holding them back; from a general lack of respect from authority among young blacks, the level of crime (specifically drug crime) in these communities, and the lack of availability to the same quality of education afforded to whites, all of these play a much bigger role in holding back today's blacks than some view that hasn't been shared by the majority of Americans for over fifty years.
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It doesn't matter what the majority of whites believe. The majority can be utterly and abjectly wrong.

Hamster, I will acknowledge the extreme sensitivity surrounding the issue of discussing race, and I do commend you for being far more civil when confronted about race than many others who hold similar positions are. Even if we make mistakes in what we say, we gotta check our privilege at the door and talk about this stuff more, not less.
 
b_dubz said:
Ummmm it has allot more to do with wealth than color these days. All those people grew up with a good amount of wealth (and by that I mean not dirt poor) conversely the majority of dirt poor people in America are black, largely due to racist policy's of the past.

Furthermore it is racist because their are like 8 people protesting and two looting. Theirs should have been a huge crowd protesting and two looting as that would show the real numbers better.

Its also racist because their should have been a large group of people blocking the looters, as their was allot of people (more than the looters) protecting stores as well.

It is racist. Just get over it.
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You just said it! Wealth, how much money you have, has more to do with succeeding and failing in this world than race does! I'm glad to you finally admit it! By the way, less than 30% of blacks live near or below the poverty line. And while it is true that is much higher than whites, it's certainly not a majority of "black people". And clearly, those who were protecting the stores, weren't able to.
 
Hamster Buddha said:
I've argued this elsewhere (perhaps even to you, I've responded to 20 replies in the last hour so I've lost track), but I'll state it again. Racism, in terms of considering your race is superior to another's, accounts for 10% of the fault in this issue, maybe even 20%. There are far larger issues facing the black community today that is the reason for holding them back; from a general lack of respect from authority among young blacks, the level of crime (specifically drug crime) in these communities, and the lack of availability to the same quality of education afforded to whites, all of these play a much bigger role in holding back today's blacks than some view that hasn't been shared by the majority of Americans for over fifty years.
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Omg your so racist and wrong...

Why would they respect authority? It treats them like poo. In fact idk why anybody respects the authority of this country. It certainly does not deserve respect.

The level of crime directly correlates with the level of poverty around the world. Drugs make money. If your poor, your more likely to sell drugs. That's true for everybody. More blacks are poor, therefore they sell allot of drugs. The reason they are poor, is the institutionalized racism that used to and still does go one here.

The only thing your right about is education. But that is another form of racism. Giving black neighborhoods crappy schools...

Racism is at the root of all these things. Just stop you have no idea what your talking about!
 
Phys251 said:
This is an outdated idea of "racism." And if you disagree with the established definition of systems and actions that serve to oppress and impede the progress of people of color, do you have a different term for that phenomenon?
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In terms of the systems that are in place to "oppress and impede the progress of people of color", what systems are we talking about? If you want to call it racist to say if a black man comes for a job, they better be dressed professional and not looking like they just came from the hood with their pants hanging below their ass and tattoos all up and down arms, then that's ridiculous. It's also ridiculous to think that it's "racist" if they don't want to hire convicted felons (which by the way, 25% of adult blacks are felons, far higher than the 6.5% for everyone else).

Phys251 said:
It doesn't matter what the majority of whites believe. The majority can be utterly and abjectly wrong.

Hamster, I will acknowledge the extreme sensitivity surrounding the issue of discussing race, and I do commend you for being far more civil when confronted about race than many others who hold similar positions are. Even if we make mistakes in what we say, we gotta check our privilege at the door and talk about this stuff more, not less.
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Here's the difference between today's society and that of fifty years ago. If a black man or woman is exceptional, then they can go as far as their dreams can take them as have been demonstrated by the likes of Oprah, Obama, Jay-Z, and the Xerox CEO. Because of that, I don't think racism is at play here. (It's important to note, White's aren't the demographic that has it best in this country anyways.) However, what I will admit, is that for an average young black man today who is getting ready to go to elementary school, it is much harder for that individual to succeed than it is for their White, Asian, or even Hispanic counterpart (It's amazing how far Hispanics have come when you consider that a generation or two ago, they weren't even here!). Now if we can stop pretending that "Whites", "Conservatives", and "Republicans" hates Blacks, then we can really start to address the issues that have the average black kid being behind the eight ball.

For Example:

b_dubz said:
Omg your so racist and wrong...

Why would they respect authority? It treats them like poo. In fact idk why anybody respects the authority of this country. It certainly does not deserve respect.

The level of crime directly correlates with the level of poverty around the world. Drugs make money. If your poor, your more likely to sell drugs. That's true for everybody. More blacks are poor, therefore they sell allot of drugs. The reason they are poor, is the institutionalized racism that used to and still does go one here.

The only thing your right about is education. But that is another form of racism. Giving black neighborhoods crappy schools...

Racism is at the root of all these things. Just stop you have no idea what your talking about!
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Why should they respect authority? Because you will go much further in this world when you do. That even goes for me when I go overseas and work with my Chinese and Japanese counterparts. In fact, if you go to those countries, you'll find the same demand for respect and conformity that you do with Whites here. Beyond that, I really don't have much more to say to you.
 
Hamster Buddha said:
You just said it! Wealth, how much money you have, has more to do with succeeding and failing in this world than race does! I'm glad to you finally admit it! By the way, less than 30% of blacks live near or below the poverty line. And while it is true that is much higher than whites, it's certainly not a majority of "black people". And clearly, those who were protecting the stores, weren't able to.
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And a majority of black people are poor because of institutionalized racism back in the day. Its a vicious cycle. Don't you get it yet?

Ummm I said the majority of dirt poor people in America are black.... Not the majority of Black's are poor... Big diff... I believe that 30% is higher than any other race still, and if you do it by actual numbers I know their the majority...

The poverty line is greatly skewed. The reason is it hasn't accounted for cost of living increases since its inception. If you want the real number below the actual poverty line you need to lump in large portions of the lower middle class to. Nice try tho...

Actually they were. Only 17 got looted. Compare that with the watts riots or even the pumpkin riots in ct....

What you need to admit is black people have been poor since Jim crow and before, and thats why they remain poor. Because like you admitted, its all about what you start with. If you don't start with anything, your highly likely to end the same...
 
Hamster Buddha said:
In terms of the systems that are in place to "oppress and impede the progress of people of color", what systems are we talking about? If you want to call it racist to say if a black man comes for a job, they better be dressed professional and not looking like they just came from the hood with their pants hanging below their ass and tattoos all up and down arms, then that's ridiculous. It's also ridiculous to think that it's "racist" if they don't want to hire convicted felons (which by the way, 25% of adult blacks are felons, far higher than the 6.5% for everyone else).



Here's the difference between today's society and that of fifty years ago. If a black man or woman is exceptional, then they can go as far as their dreams can take them as have been demonstrated by the likes of Oprah, Obama, Jay-Z, and the Xerox CEO. Because of that, I don't think racism is at play here. (It's important to note, White's aren't the demographic that has it best in this country anyways.) However, what I will admit, is that for an average young black man today who is getting ready to go to elementary school, it is much harder for that individual to succeed than it is for their White, Asian, or even Hispanic counterpart (It's amazing how far Hispanics have come when you consider that a generation or two ago, they weren't even here!). Now if we can stop pretending that "Whites", "Conservatives", and "Republicans" hates Blacks, then we can really start to address the issues that have the average black kid being behind the eight ball.

For Example:
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The only person you mentioned who didn't start well off is jay z. He got VERY LUCKY and had the assistance of of someone who did start with money (but was also black) named damson dash.

Also its always been easier to come from nothing if your a talented artist. Since the Renaissance at least.

Your wrong, racism is still very much at play, and these are the aftereffects of Jim crow and not paying reparations...

Conservatives and republicans do hate Black's and poor. Whites its more mixed. I'm white. I got loads of black friends. The kkk, not so much...
 
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