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No Indictment in Chokehold Death [W:1903,2680]

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ReverendHellh0und said:
Lol "differing accounts"


Watch the video, the little cop backs off that claim.


There shall be no apology forthcoming. Sorry
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As I thought I didn't expect actual honesty from you. I said I posted it, you said you didn't believe me. I gave you a post number that shows I did, in fact, post it. You took the path of the venerable weasel.

So, ALL the media reports say he was under arrest. That's the only information we have right now. Can you show any that say he wasn't under arrest? Should be easy for you if they exist because there has been a ton of reporting thus far on the same limited information.
 
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clownboy said:
Quote where I said I distrust the video taker as to any "fight details".
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Here you go:

clownboy said:
Again, quit the silly games, I told you I'd rewatch the video. At 50 seconds in the commentator who is taking the video says, "this guy right here is being forced to leave because he was breaking up a fight"/

Btw, I'm still wondering about that fight thing, there has been no mention of any fight in the reporting I've read.
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Want to backtrack now? Or... what?

All that I have ever posted about the so-called fight is that it happened according to witnesses
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Ah, so the fight happened according to witnesses, the police saw him selling cigarettes but not stopping the fight, and the only part of the witness commentary which you accept is that they told him to leave...... but that part is ... not in the video? :lol: So much for being good at this eh clownboy? That's more acrobatics than a Cirque du Soleil show.

and we have no other details on that part of the event. I even asked for details with none forthcoming.

Now quote where I said I was "really good at this". All I have posted in that regard is that YOU are not very good at this.

In fact, you're wandering again, trying to find a point from which to troll further.
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Clownboy, can you tell in what part of the video the police told him to move along?
 
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clownboy said:
So, you further demonstrate that reading comprehension is not your strong suit.
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Those two statements are not in contradiction. Only those who are dishonest would claim so. The best part is that you think I'm wrong after tres borrachos has stated that she'd have no problem with her kids being arrested for breaking laws no matter how small.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
It is indeed tragic. It did not have to happen. No one is saying it was murder, but it was homicide. It could have been prevented, very easily. That it wasn't is a lesson to be learned. It's much like someone dying in a car accident. Was it murder? No, but it was certainly the result of someone's mistake. Was it a crime? probably not, but it was certainly something that should be prevented.

and brushing this incident of as, "Oh, well, it was just some fat guy selling cigarettes on the street. If he was killed as the result of an arrest gone bad, then that's just how things are," is not the way to go about it.
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It was negligent homicide...
 
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Hatuey said:
Those two statements are not in contradiction. Only those who are dishonest would claim so. The best part is that you think I'm wrong after tres borrachos has stated that she'd have no problem with her kids being arrested for breaking laws no matter how small.
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Only someone who is dishonest would say those two statements are identical. The standard wasn't "consistent", because you were speaking in specifics.
 
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WallStreetVixen said:
How would you have arrested Eric Garner?
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Nope. All that was needed was a ticket and everybody could have just moved on. Instead the cop decided to choke this man to death.
 
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Hatuey said:
Here you go:



Want to backtrack now? Or... what?



Ah, so the fight happened according to witnesses, the police saw him selling cigarettes but not stopping the fight, and the only part of the witness commentary which you accept is that they told him to leave...... but that part is ... not in the video? :lol: So much for being good at this eh clownboy? That's more acrobatics than a Cirque du Soleil show.



Clownboy, can you tell in what part of the video the police told him to move along?
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And once again you move those goalposts when you are caught being dishonest. Where in that post you quoted did I say I disbelieved what the video taker was saying about there having been a fight? THAT was YOUR setup remember. You put that little lie together just a couple posts ago. You should learn to keep track.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
That's the way it looks to me, too.
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Didn't look that way to the grand jury who had access to far more of the evidence than you or I. Btw, the GJ determination was unanimous, all 23 of them, various races and economic classes.
 
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clownboy said:
Only someone who is dishonest would say those two statements are identical. The standard wasn't "consistent", because you were speaking in specifics.
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tres borrachos did demonstrate some consistency, one based on a blind that not breaking the law means no confrontation. If she claims she didn't, then she has to admit that not breaking the law as a way to avoid confrontation is a pretty ridiculous statement to make without knowing the specifics of each case. In this case, the confrontation was initiated at every point of the way by police officers and there was no confirmation that any law was ever broken. Do you deny that? Please tell me you do, it'll just show how little interest you have in actually coming up with a coherent response to the bludgeoning NYPD supporters have received. ;)
 
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Misterveritis said:
Why aren't you attacking the liberal establishment that has added taxes upon taxes upon taxes and constrained and restricted people from starting businesses?
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Did the "liberal establishment" choke a man to death?
 
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clownboy said:
And once again you move those goalposts when you are caught being dishonest. Where in that post you quoted did I say I disbelieved what the video taker was saying about there having been a fight? THAT was YOUR setup remember. You put that little lie together just a couple posts ago. You should learn to keep track.
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Move WHAT goalposts, you were the one who stated it was in the video. I asked you to provide it. First you claimed it was proven by the guy's commentary. Then you claimed it's in another video that we don't have access to. That's a bull**** cop out because you don't want to admit you don't have the evidence to back up that statement. You want to keep this going or you want to look even more dishonest? Here's the question:

When did the police tell Eric Garner to move along?
 
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Hatuey said:
"If you don't want confrontation with the police, don't break the law" ring any bells?
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Wow, Hatuey. Now I know you're just making troll posts. Kindly address your troll posts to someone else.
 
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clownboy said:
So, you further demonstrate that reading comprehension is not your strong suit.
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I'm just shaking my head. I can't remember the last time I saw so many trolling posts from one poster. Either that, or they are just utterly stupid posts. Not good either way.
 
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clownboy said:
Didn't look that way to the grand jury who had access to far more of the evidence than you or I. Btw, the GJ determination was unanimous, all 23 of them, various races and economic classes.
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Do you know how ignorant most people are of the law, legal terms and how influenced they can become by lawyers? It is amazing... I haven't seen anything other than the video but that alone shows enough evidence to go to Court.
 
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Hatuey said:
Move WHAT goalposts, you were the one who stated it was in the video.

I asked you to provide it. Then you claimed it's in another video that we don't have access to. That's a bull**** cop-out because you don't want to admit you don't have the evidence to back up that statement. You want to keep this going or you want to look even more dishonest? Here's the question:

When did the police tell Eric Garner to move along?
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First bold: I stated that and guess what, at 50 seconds in the video taker states Eric was asked to move along. You didn't like that and so spouted off about how the video taker couldn't be trusted.

Second bold: An outright lie. Where did I claim it was in another video. Again we're looking for exact quotes here, not your mischaracterization or lack of comprehension as to what is clearly written. Hint, the words "may be" are not the equivalent of the word "is". I'll wait for your quote. But not too long since I know you cannot provide it. So, once again you are being dishonest.

Third bold: 50 seconds into your little video we hear it confirmed. We don't actually know at what point he was asked to move along. We'll know when they release all the info, including GJ testimony.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Do you know how ignorant most people are of the law, legal terms and how influenced they can become by lawyers? It is amazing... I haven't seen anything other than the video but that alone shows enough evidence to go to Court.
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About the same as they are influenced by media and AFAIK they weren't sequestered. Have you heard differently?
 
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tres borrachos said:
Wow, Hatuey. Now I know you're just making troll posts. Kindly address your troll posts to someone else.
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C'man tres, your entire response here has been based on nothing more than a belief that the police are justified if a person breaks the law. It doesn't matter what those laws are. That you're now going to try and play the "nuh-uh" card doesn't help you. You spent 4-5 posts avoiding the possibility that your kids could ever break laws, then you decided that you had a crystal ball and they wouldn't ever break the law, then when you finally worked up the courage, you stated you wouldn't have a problem with them being arrested for breaking any laws (no matter how stupid: see. lemonade, seaweed). Your authoritarianism was put on full display and you didn't even realize it. I realized you weren't much of a libertarian after you refused to concede that the militarization of police departments is part of the big government (even though they're largely funded by the federal government and full under the control of the state's executive branch). Then you resorted to the response given to libertarians when they complain about authoritarianism: Don't like it? Move elsewhere!

This exchange has been more than I could ask for because you've completely devolved into a raging pro-big government Libertarian.
 
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clownboy said:
First bold: I stated that and guess what, at 50 seconds in the video taker states Eric was asked to move along.
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No, you stated the police told him to move along in the video. That you're now stating you based this on what was said by someone else whose account you distrust because the fight commentary doesn't fit your narrative is absolutely dishonest. Are you really being this dishonest?

You didn't like that and so spouted off about how the video taker couldn't be trusted.
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Still making it up as you go.

Second bold: An outright lie. Where did I claim it was in another video.
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Ah, so it's not in the video we have access to, you don't know that it's in another video, but you're sure it was said? Lol. You're not even trying to make up a narrative anymore? Here ya go:

clownboy said:
Again this? The first time you asked this same silly thing I posted the answer for you. It's not on the video we have access to. The video does not cover the entire event. It does not show his encounter with an undercover officer. It does not show the fight all the witnesses mention that immediately precedes. I also pointed out to you that the "good citizen" taking the video says he's being placed under arrest.
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So where is it? ;)

Again we're looking for exact quotes here, not your mischaracterization or lack of comprehension as to what is clearly written. Hint, the words "may be" are not the equivalent of the word "is". I'll wait for your quote. But not too long since I know you cannot provide it. So, once again you are being dishonest.

Third bold: 50 seconds into your little video we hear it confirmed. We don't actually know at what point he was asked to move along. We'll know when they release all the info, including GJ testimony.
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So we hear it confirmed by the same person who you don't trust in regards to the fight? Clownboy, you're pretty bad at this.
 
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Posted, answered, posted again, answered again. Not even an original attempt at trolling.
 
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clownboy said:
About the same as they are influenced by media and AFAIK they weren't sequestered. Have you heard differently?
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I would say that they are far more influenced by lawyers and ignorant of the legal system and it's tricks... No, I have not heard if they were or not.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
Like choking mother ****ers out for that ****!
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Cop made my sister in walk home. Wouldnt let her back into the car to get her phone. All because her DL was suspended because the insurance company didnt get notified of the change in auto pay from the new credit card.
Four miles in the worst part of town, would even give her a ride to a well lit place.
I cant wait to find that MFer.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Not sure I understand that line, but whatever. I enforced as it was deemed needed. Start arguing with me or telling me who you are going to call or your lawyers name or that you know the chief "personally". I saw it as a challenge.
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That is the problem with many cops...
 
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