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No Indictment in Chokehold Death [W:1903,2680]

Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

tres borrachos said:
If you don't break the law, the cops tend not to put you in a chokehold for no reason.
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Generalized statement that can't be proven one way or another? Nonsense. Bring your A game.

Life 101. I'm sorry you can't get that, and you are reduced to posting posts that are lies.

By the way, Eric Garner wasn't a kid and he wasn't operating a lemonade stand or collecting seaweed on the NH coast, so you trying to "set a standard" by lobbing these ridiculous, worthless, unrelated hypotheticals is ridiculous as well.
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So then you admit that discretion is necessary in some cases? Yes?
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
I did.



What crime was he observed committing?
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You have just proven you haven't read the thread because the answers to your last two questions have already been posted in this thread. Do your own homework.
 
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Hatuey said:
Generalized statement that can't be proven one way or another? Nonsense. Bring your A game.



So then you admit that discretion is necessary in some cases? Yes?
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****, he cant even tell you what crime he was observed committing.
 
Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

Hatuey said:
Generalized statement that can't be proven one way or another? Nonsense. Bring your A game.



So then you admit that discretion is necessary in some cases? Yes?
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Where, quote exactly where, she ever said it wasn't. That bit of nonsense was part of one of your silly strawmen.
 
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clownboy said:
Keep dodging and moving the goalposts.
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None of that has been done. What has been done is scrutinize your ridiculous crystal ball position. That you don't like it is pretty funny.

I've answered your questions and thus far you gone to ever more ridiculous extremes to render your strawmen to play gotcha. Give it a rest. I clearly answered your questions. You'll just have to live with the fact that I did so without going to your gotcha place.
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Sure you have clown, you haven't at all. What you've done is figure out excuses to justify this instance of police brutality. The best part is that you and all the other authoritarians have completely given up on trying to claim that homicide means the asthma and weight killed him. So we'ved on to the last argument: Was this justified? Of course it wasn't.
 
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clownboy said:
Where, quote exactly where, she ever said it wasn't. That bit of nonsense was part of one of your silly strawmen.
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She just said if you don't want a confrontation with the cops, don't break the law. Do you realize that means that discretion from the cop is ruled out as a way to avoid confrontation? You're trying too hard to remain relevant in this thread.
 
Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

Hatuey said:
Generalized statement that can't be proven one way or another? Nonsense. Bring your A game.



So then you admit that discretion is necessary in some cases? Yes?
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Okay, please post links of all of the people who were put in chokeholds by cops in the last month who were doing nothing wrong. It must be in the thousands from the way you're carrying on. It's not happening here in NH, or if it is, nobody is reporting it. So unless you can prove it, then it isn't a daily event.

Discretion is necessary? No clue what that means as it relates to my post about Eric Garner. I didn't sit on the Grand Jury, and I am not an expert in police arrests.
 
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clownboy said:
You have just proven you haven't read the thread because the answers to your last two questions have already been posted in this thread. Do your own homework.
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Don't lie.


I've been in the thread from early on.


Its not there.


If it was, you would hit me over the head with it, gleefully

I know i would, i love waxing facts on the ignorant. Heres your chance to do the same!

What crime was he observed committing?
 
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clownboy said:
Where, quote exactly where, she ever said it wasn't. That bit of nonsense was part of one of your silly strawmen.
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He's all over the place. I'd laugh if not for the fact that I don't find troll posts and lying posts amusing.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
Don't lie.


I've been in the thread from early on.


Its not there.


If it was, you would hit me over the head with it, gleefully

I know i would, i love waxing facts on the ignorant. Heres your chance to do the same!

What crime was he observed committing?
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Is it only a crime if a policeman observes you committing it now?
 
Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

tres borrachos said:
Okay, please post links of all of the people who were put in chokeholds by cops in the last month who were doing nothing wrong.
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You just stated most don't. It's up to you to validate it. Not me to prove you wrong. Can you validate your claim? ;)

Discretion is necessary? No clue what that means as it relates to my post about Eric Garner. I didn't sit on the Grand Jury, and I am not an expert in police arrests.
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From the beginning, you've admitted that it wasn't as not breaking the law would mean no confrontation. Listen tres, if you're not going to stand by your arguments and admit that you basically support police action no matter what law is broken, then you really should just stop debating.
 
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Hatuey said:
She just said if you don't want a confrontation with the cops, don't break the law. Do you realize that means that discretion from the cop is ruled out as a way to avoid confrontation? You're trying too hard to remain relevant in this thread.
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So your evidence that cops are confronting people who are just walking along, minding their own business, on a daily/hourly/constant basis is forthcoming?
 
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tres borrachos said:
Is it only a crime if a policeman observes you committing it now?
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Contact,

Detainment,


Arrest.



Officers needed to observe him committing a crime or had "reasonable" suspicion that he was.


Priors alone is not "reasonable suspicion".


Hence the answer clownboy is not answering


He was not observed by police committing a crime.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
There was a claim of a single pack. I havent been able to confirm.
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Oooh! Well, if we're to believe clownboy, that pack of smokes was going to ruin local business! It's kind of like how when you buy a diamond ring, you contribute to children being killed in the DRC. Ya know?
 
Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

Hatuey said:
None of that has been done. What has been done is scrutinize your ridiculous crystal ball position. That you don't like it is pretty funny.



Sure you have clown, you haven't at all. What you've done is figure out excuses to justify this instance of police brutality. The best part is that you and all the other authoritarians have completely given up on trying to claim that homicide means the asthma and weight killed him. So we'ved on to the last argument: Was this justified? Of course it wasn't.
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Indeed I have, and it appears to only have had the effect on you that you create ever more restrictive and arcane strawmen.

To answer your last and first genuine question - yes, it was justified.
 
Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

Hatuey said:
You just stated most don't. It's up to you to validate it. Not me to prove you wrong. Can you validate your claim? ;)



From the beginning, you've admitted that it wasn't as not breaking the law would mean no confrontation. Listen tres, if you're not going to stand by your arguments and admit that you basically support police action no matter what law is broken, then you really should just stop debating.
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Sure I can validate my claim. Because there are no stories or reports of people getting put into chokeholds all time by cops while they were out minding their own business and not breaking laws. That's actually the only evidence needed. You do know you can't prove a negative, yes?

By the way, are you the arbiter of who is allowed to post on threads? I'm here to debate about the topic. You're angry because I don't want to debate seaweed laws.
 
Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

Hatuey said:
She just said if you don't want a confrontation with the cops, don't break the law. Do you realize that means that discretion from the cop is ruled out as a way to avoid confrontation? You're trying too hard to remain relevant in this thread.
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No, it doesn't. And you lost relevance about two seconds after your first post to the thread.
 
Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

ReverendHellh0und said:
Contact,

Detainment,


Arrest.



Officers needed to observe him committing a crime or had "reasonable" suspicion that he was.


Priors alone is not "reasonable suspicion".


Hence the answer clownboy is not answering


He was not observed by police committing a crime.
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If I embezzled money from my employer, and no cop observed me doing it, does that mean I can't be arrested?
 
Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

ReverendHellh0und said:
Don't lie.


I've been in the thread from early on.


Its not there.


If it was, you would hit me over the head with it, gleefully

I know i would, i love waxing facts on the ignorant. Heres your chance to do the same!

What crime was he observed committing?
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Take your own advice. It's there, I read it, posted some of what you ask, as have others who actually did follow along and read the thread.
 
No Indictment in Chokehold Death [W:1903]

clownboy said:
Take your own advice. It's there, I read it, posted some of what you ask, as have others who actually did follow along and read the thread.
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No, you haven't, sorry.


I don't believe you are telling the truth.

I accept your concession that garner was not observed committing a crime before being detained and eventually choked, head smashing and smothering with knees.
 
Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

tres borrachos said:
So your evidence that cops are confronting people who are just walking along, minding their own business, on a daily/hourly/constant basis is forthcoming?
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Man left beaten and bloodied for jaywalking is 85-year-old who doesn't understand much English | Daily Mail Online
Bill de Blasio Crackdown on Jaywalking Leads to Beating of 84-Year-Old Man | FrontPage Magazine

New York City does not ticket or arrest jaywalkers under normal circumstances. Giuliani’s administration briefly tried it and gave up. Even Bloomberg, who criminalized salt and soda, left jaywalking alone.
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Let me guess, you support beating an old man because he broke the law, didn't understand and walked away? Or was this confrontation justified too because the old man was breaking the law?
 
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clownboy said:
No, it doesn't. And you lost relevance about two seconds after your first post to the thread.
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Still trying? Last time I ask you: Can you show us at what point in the video police told Eric Garner to move along? You made the claim that they had, I'm asking you to validate it. Or can't you? Just like you can't show what crime the police observed?
 
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