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No Indictment in Chokehold Death [W:1903,2680]

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True, for example, if I get enough points on my license, I get a notice from the DMV in the mail that my license has been suspended and these are the fines I owe.

And now tell us what happens when you continue to drive anyway. Is an arrest and taking into custody in your future? Jail time perhaps? Hint: the answer is yes.

I don't get jumped by a jock cop and have him attempt to choke me out. (that's not even a legal action).

Then you've never been caught for a warrant and resisted arrest. Good to know. And no, NOT an illegal action. Why try to resurrect a busted meme with a slight bend? Just silly.

And again, his only crime that day was.....?

You tell us, it's been posted here about a thousand times. Still not getting the message?
 
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Since another sinless member of the forum? :roll:

I wonder how many people there are on the forum that never broke any regulation or law in their life.

Yep, no speeding, no smoking weed, no drinking and driving, no littering, no loitering, no double parking, can you believe the sort of saints we have at DP?
 
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Somebody's following me through threads. No it does not. The size of an individual does not dictate the force used. If that was true, hell, a police officer would be justified in beating anybody they believed was beyond their capabilities.

I started posting to this thread before you did. And yes, the size of the individual does indeed factor into the force needed to subdue the resistant.
 
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He resisted arrest right up until he hit the ground.

This is quite obvious if you watch the video.

The police were trying to pin his right arm behind his back to cuff him while he was on the ground. The cop let go of the choke hold and they pinned his head against the ground.

The choke hold was wrong and police standing around doing nothing while there was clearly something was very wrong

Did I miss it, or were the words "you're under arrest" never uttered by the police officer?
 
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i have been in retail for 30 years+

someone "parking" in front of your store taking business from you would upset MOST businessmen

that is why there are laws against sidewalk vendors in most communities

and those that do have them....NYC, Chicago, DC....they are highly regulated on where they can go, what they can sell, etc

kinda like the food truck wars going on in most cities

food trucks dont have the same expenses as restaurants.....it changes the whole city economy

so...the road may not be "your" property......but someone honing in on your business would be a BIG issue to most businessmen i know
 
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I started posting to this thread before you did.

Irrelevant. You're answering to posts that weren't even directed at you. As I stated: Following me through threads.

And yes, the size of the individual does indeed factor into the force needed to subdue the resistant.

Still trying to claim Eric Garner resisted an arrest that he was never told he was under? Here, I'll give you some homework:

Show us the exact minute:second Eric Garner was told he was under arrest.
Show us the exact minute:second Eric Garner was told by the police to move along.

Can you do that clownboy? If you have, tell us in which post. ;)
 
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Clearly the officers acted improperly. If you watch the video - one of the girls tried to pull away and more than one refused to do what the police told them to do.

IN IS INEXCUSABLE that those girls were not tasered, thrown to the ground and beat for "resisting." I guess because the girls were white girls the police show them favoritism.

And I already said I can't watch the video on this computer, or did you miss that?
 
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i have been in retail for 30 years+

someone "parking" in front of your store taking business from you would upset MOST businessmen

that is why there are laws against sidewalk vendors in most communities

and those that do have them....NYC, Chicago, DC....they are highly regulated on where they can go, what they can sell, etc

kinda like the food truck wars going on in most cities

food trucks dont have the same expenses as restaurants.....it changes the whole city economy

so...the road may not be "your" property......but someone honing in on your business would be a BIG issue to most businessmen i know

What does being upset have to do with rights? Sure, I wouldn't like it, but like I said, he has the right to be there. Being the king in the neighborhood in ice cream sales is not a right I have.
 
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And I already said I can't watch the video on this computer, or did you miss that?

Does it matter? They were breaking the law by selling lemonade. Their arrest/detainment was justified. According to you anyways.

Gotta love them Libertarian ideals!
 
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That's kind of the point that tres borrachos is missing. She just stated that if you don't want a confrontation with the police, you shouldn't break the law. Those girls broke the law and resisted, talked back etc. Would she have supported somebody putting those girls in a chokehold? According to her statements: Yes. However, she's not willing to come out and admit it. It's the thing about authoritarians. The small government stuff? It's only for show.

So complain to the people who are in charge of the police. There's no "point" for me to be getting. You never asked me if I supported putting my kids or anyone else's kids in a chokehold, did you? Did you ever ask me about my views on my kids or anyone else's kids resisting arrest? Why, no, you didn't. So your claim:

Would she have supported somebody putting those girls in a chokehold? According to her statements: Yes

....is a lie.

You asked me if I'd support my kids getting arrested for selling lemonade or picking seaweed. Try to keep up with your own posts, for the love of doG.
 
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Does it matter? They were breaking the law by selling lemonade. Their arrest/detainment was justified. According to you anyways.

Gotta love them Libertarian ideals!

Your posts are all trolling, and filled with lies.

You never asked me about putting kids in chokeholds, and I can't watch the video that has you weeping. Nor do I care to anyway. I'm not losing sleep over lemonade sales. You are.

Carry on.
 
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What does being upset have to do with rights? Sure, I wouldn't like it, but like I said, he has the right to be there. Being the king in the neighborhood in ice cream sales is not a right I have.

actually it does

you pay real estate, and sales tax to the city to be the ice cream magnate on that block

you also have a business license that says you get to conduct business in that one spot

laws are on the books to "protect those rights" in every community i have ever lived in, or done business in
 
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It's what I've been asking from the beginning, in different ways, but from the beginning. The seaweed, the lemonade, they're all insignificant laws which don't harm anyone if they're broken.

Inaccurate. Breaking them may not threaten lives, but breaking those laws can and sometimes do have a negative financial impact on those who are following the law. A neighborhood lemonade stand isn't going to impact anyone's business. One in the park that issues licenses to vendors is. Perhaps those vendors have families with children who depend on that income? Screw them right?

You didn't post that a dozen times. You just answered it now and if you posted it before, it wasn't in reference to me. Lol. Now - Second question: If your kids started crying and moving their hands away from the police, would you support the police using a chokehold to subdue them? Maybe tasering? Any force necessary? Yes?

No on the chokehold, again against policy in all departments I've seen or read about. Taser, yes, if they are resisting. Any force necessary? Yes.

But what you don't seem to be able to understand is that my child and my grandchildren are familiar with law enforcement. Their uncles and aunties are FBI, local cops, Sheriffs and staties. They know how to answer questions respectfully. They know not to lie to officers. So the likelihood of them ever facing that situation approach zero rapidly.
 
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So complain to the people who are in charge of the police.

This has to be the silliest cop-out I've ever heard for not wanting to stand one way or another on an issue.

There's no "point" for me to be getting. You never asked me if I supported putting my kids or anyone else's kids in a chokehold, did you?

Do you not realize that even if I had asked you that, it wouldn't have made your support of people getting arrested for small things seem less authoritarian?

Did you ever ask me about my views on my kids or anyone else's kids resisting arrest? Why, no, you didn't. So your claim:

Would she have supported somebody putting those girls in a chokehold? According to her statements: Yes

....is a lie.

You asked me if I'd support my kids getting arrested for selling lemonade or picking seaweed. Try to keep up with your own posts, for the love of doG.

No it isn't. You support whatever police measures are deemed in order to stop people from breaking laws. That includes chokeholds, the piling on that Eric Garner received, etc. Or are you now admitting that there is a limit to how far police should be allowed to go?
 
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This has to be the silliest cop-out I've ever heard for not wanting to stand one way or another on an issue.



Do you not realize that even if I had asked you that, it wouldn't have made your support of people getting arrested for small things seem less authoritarian?



No it isn't. You support whatever police measures are deemed in order to stop people from breaking laws. That includes chokeholds, the piling on that Eric Garner received, etc. Or are you now admitting that there is a limit to how far police should be allowed to go?

Show me the post where you asked me about kids getting put in chokeholds, and me saying I was fine with that, which is what you claimed I said.

I'll wait.
 
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actually it does

you pay real estate, and sales tax to the city to be the ice cream magnate on that block

you also have a business license that says you get to conduct business in that one spot

laws are on the books to "protect those rights" in every community i have ever lived in, or done business in

Can you point to the law that says I have a right to not have competition from ice cream trucks parked on the side of the road?
 
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Yep, no speeding, no smoking weed, no drinking and driving, no littering, no loitering, no double parking, can you believe the sort of saints we have at DP?

So. Guess what, I own up to those things when caught. I don't resist and it's not anyone else's fault, including the officer. I don't try to justify my behavior, saying it's right. You should try it sometime.
 
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Inaccurate. Breaking them may not threaten lives, but breaking those laws can and sometimes do have a negative financial impact on those who are following the law. A neighborhood lemonade stand isn't going to impact anyone's business. One in the park that issues licenses to vendors is. Perhaps those vendors have families with children who depend on that income? Screw them right?

So a vendor is going to go broke because of a guy selling cigarettes somewhere in NYC? Do you own a business? If your business was threatened by a guy making a 1/10th of a percentage of what your business should be making to stay afloat, your business has much bigger problems than the guy selling smokes. Again, you're either ignorant or completely hyperbolic. Which is it?

No on the chokehold, again against policy in all departments I've seen or read about. Taser, yes, if they are resisting. Any force necessary? Yes.

But what you don't seem to be able to understand is that my child and my grandchildren are familiar with law enforcement. Their uncles and aunties are FBI, local cops, Sheriffs and staties. They know how to answer questions respectfully. They know not to lie to officers. So the likelihood of them ever facing that situation approach zero rapidly.

Ah, so you support tasing children who are breaking the law no matter the law - correct?
 
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Did I miss it, or were the words "you're under arrest" never uttered by the police officer?

That was covered and linked to a long time ago in the thread.
 
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Show me the post where you asked me about kids getting put in chokeholds,

Your ability to read and still ask that type of question is ridiculous.

and me saying I was fine with that, which is what you claimed I said.

I'll wait.

Read that post again:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...kehold-death-w-1903-a-250.html#post1064072686

Please tell you understood it just so you know how illogical you sound.
 
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Irrelevant. You're answering to posts that weren't even directed at you. As I stated: Following me through threads.



Still trying to claim Eric Garner resisted an arrest that he was never told he was under? Here, I'll give you some homework:

Show us the exact minute:second Eric Garner was told he was under arrest.
Show us the exact minute:second Eric Garner was told by the police to move along.

Can you do that clownboy? If you have, tell us in which post. ;)

Proof that he was under arrest was posted a long time ago in this very thread. Resurrecting this broken point, though the point was meaningless to begin with, is right down your alley.
 
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