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No Indictment in Chokehold Death [W:1903,2680]

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I.E. Submit to authorities at all times, even if unjustified.


How did that fare for the jews in germany? (yeah I godwinned this ****!)
Yeah, man. Submit to the autrhorites when you know you are about to be arrested. Especially if you have 30 priors.

You DO know how silly your Nazi/Jew comparison is...right?
 
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Again, the response of other people is totally irrelevant. And that's not what was was decided. This was not a trial, it was a grand jury.

What is your standard for an indictment? If the police officer pistol whipped the guy, would that have been okay too? Or if they shot him point blank? Would that be okay? Do you really think that that officer should be free to patrol the streets again?

Pretty sure he's been fired or will be soon. And there's no need to venture into hyperbole. Standard for indictment is evidence you did something illegal.
 
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While I'm sure there are several videos about this very obvious display of police brutality, I think people should watch this version of what transpired between the NYPD & Eric Garner. But first. ...

Per eyewitness account, the man wasn't selling cigarettes. He had just broke up a fight before police arrived on the scene and was subsequently harassed under the suspension of selling single cigarettes, a crime in NYC.

The indie DJ makes some very valid points at the end of the video. Watch. ... No arrest pronouncement. No warning. Just straight up assault on a private citizen who did a good thing but ends up dead due to the actions of over zealous cops.

Watch. ...

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Njrs5ns8nbI


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But realistically, what happened before shouldn't matter. Garner wasn't being violent, yet the police officers reacted violently. He could have been a drug dealing human trafficker, it doesn't matter. The police don't have the right to be violent against anyone unless the situation warrants it. The fact that Garner didn't do anything only makes this more of a tragedy and a travesty of justice.
 
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Pretty sure he's been fired or will be soon. And there's no need to venture into hyperbole. Standard for indictment is evidence you did something illegal.

Like a video showing you killing an unarmed non-violent person?

Why is it so hard to admit that there are bad cops that do bad things? We all know it, cops most of all. That doesn't mean we don't support the police. It's just a fact of life.
 
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I.E. Submit to authorities at all times, even if unjustified.


How did that fare for the jews in germany? (yeah I godwinned this ****!)

Yes, and then take them to court later and own their asses. That's how it works, and it does work if you're smarter than Eric here, he was kinda a dumb bunny.
 
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Like a video showing you killing an unarmed non-violent person?

Yeah, if you could find one of those, too bad you don't have one in this case.
 
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I don't disagree. I should clarify, however, that I believe the bylaw states a minimum at which the cigarettes can be sold, not a fixed price. Someone can sell them for more, I suppose, if they have a willing market.

well to me making a minimum = fixed. At least for anyone wanting to operate under that. As in "This game is fixed or rigged"
 
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Yes, and then take them to court later and own their asses. That's how it works, and it does work if you're smarter than Eric here, he was kinda a dumb bunny.



Really? you think that's how it works? Most of the time the cop gets off.


Why It
 
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The issue isn't whether there was a reason to detain him.

The issue is that the officers used excessive force, including a choke hold banned precisely to avoid this kind of outcome, to detain Garner; and that the officer was given a free pass by the criminal justice system.

Yet again, the cigarette law was merely coincidental to the situation. As I posted earlier, on Nov 22, a 20 year old man named Donovan Lawson illegally jumped a turnstile in the NYC subway. During the arrest, Donovan was beaten on the head with a baton by an arresting officer. Even if you believe that the officer's use of force on Donovan was fully justified, the fact still remains that the type or nature of the offense is not what results in an escalation of the use of force by the officers.

NYPD officer smashes alleged fare beater in head with baton - NY Daily News

You are trying to use one case to justify your opinion of another case. I don't know the details of the case you provided and when I know the details I will have an opinion on it. If I don't get any details then I will accept the results of the legal process.

I am here to discuss the case of the attempted arrest of Eric Garner and whether those who are convinced that a crime was committed are acting on emotion or on all the facts available to the Grand Jury. Since we know for a fact that the Grand Jury had access to far more evidence than anyone here is privy to I can only conclude that the certitude of many here that the officers should be put on trial is driven primarily by low information and high emotion, rather than a reasoned response.
 
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Really? you think that's how it works? Most of the time the cop gets off.


Why It

You seem to have quite a bit of experience with the police from the criminal end. Or is this all just an armchair philosophy?
 
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Cops don't have the gear to do that safely, paramedics do.

Is there any police action that you won't defend? (Not counting the Bundy standoff)
 
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I tend to lean conservative/republican and this one has me. Not sure why he isn't, at least going, to trial.

Me too. I stood behind the Ferguson cop. Still do. But this NYPD fiasco on video, that cop is a punk trying to be Billy Bad-Ass Top Cop. That chicken**** little mother****er snuck up behind the big black dude and killed that guy. Maybe it is time for a good ol' "peaceful," American revolution against these oppressive alpha-assholes. At least a serious protest. They need to be shown just how "Billy-Bad-Ass," they REALLY are. Encircle them with a million protesters and they would **** their pants.
 
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Is there any police action that you won't defend? (Not counting the Bundy standoff)

Yeah, I've seen quite a few in my lifetime, and I've spoken out against them every time. I don't like that cops have to enforce such ****ty law there in NYC, but that's not on the cops. The only thing done wrongly here by the cops was an against department policy chokehold meant to subdue a very large resisting fellow.
 
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Lol, the above and below contradict each other and you still don't think they do.

Part one of the post: You can't assume something happened!
Part two of the post: What if something something happened?

Please stop this. It's silly. If you have evidence that something of relevance happened in that supposed missing part of the video, I ask you to bring it forward. If not, then let it rest and admit it's of no relevance. :shrug:

I'm not going to stop pointing out your false characterizations, Hatuey. You are the one assuming you know what happened when you actually don't have the information. You are building a narrative on Eric Garner did nothing wrong, my telling you that you have no grounds to make the assumption is not a what it, it is a rational assessment of the lack of evidence on your part.

I mean, you sail past the what ifs right into wholly ignorant assumptions of what happened.
 
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Yeah, I've seen quite a few in my lifetime, and I've spoken out against them every time. I don't like that cops have to enforce such ****ty law there in NYC, but that's not on the cops. The only thing done wrongly here by the cops was an against department policy chokehold meant to subdue a very large resisting fellow.

Where is the resisting? And since when is being large a capital offense in America?
 
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Where is the resisting? And since when is being large a capital offense in America?

Really? The thread is into page 189, that sort of silliness has been well covered already.
 
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No one -- including the arresting officers -- claim that Garner did anything violent, or tried to flee.

You have access to the sealed Grand Jury testimony? I wasn't aware that you worked for the New York City courts.

It's pretty clear, even given that gap, that Garner did not try to flee or violently resist arrest.

No it isn't.

He non-violently resisted arrest. That's not in dispute, by anyone.

You don't know that.
 
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I'm not going to stop pointing out your false characterizations, Hatuey.

False characterizations of your what if arguments? They are "What Ifs". Do you have any evidence that something did happen? No? Then why are the alleged missing pieces so important?

You are the one assuming you know what happened when you actually don't have the information. You are building a narrative on Eric Garner did nothing wrong, my telling you that you have no grounds to make the assumption is not a what it, it is a rational assessment of the lack of evidence on your part.

I mean, you sail past the what ifs right into wholly ignorant assumptions of what happened.

The only thing he did wrong was make police notice him for stopping a fight. :shrug:
 
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