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No Indictment in Chokehold Death [W:1903,2680]

Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

beefheart said:
Yes....no cross examination, which is why it is a joke. Indict and have a trial, that way all the information comes out in a real trial.....what is everyone afraid of? Due process?
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The rules are far more lenient for a grand jury than for a trial. The bar is intentionally set lower than for a trial. I do not believe you understand that.

Justice was served.
 
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Hatuey said:
I just did. Look at the first word in that post. You asked a question and my response was: No.

Now, you gonna answer mine or run away?
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Do you support the race hustlers?
 
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Misterveritis said:
The rules are far more lenient for a grand jury than for a trial. The bar is intentionally set lower than for a trial. I do not believe you understand that.

Justice was served.
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And what percentage of GJ juries result in an indictment?
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
Lets look at this another way you have haymarket, me, hautey, limbaugh and hannity all in agreement this should never have gotten this far.

To get to this point something has gone terribly wrong.




Also deblasio orders police to crack down on illegal ciggys, throws police under bus when they do.


Nyc and ny created the black market that led to sending officers who end up killin someone over loosies.


Wtf
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It is time for a tax rebellion.
 
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clownboy said:
You know it's not just the tax. The illegal sellers sell to kids. I'm a smoker who wants to be left alone to smoke and I still think there's a special hell reserved for those who sell drugs, alcohol and smokes to kids.
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Cool. You get your very own special hell? Why not a run of the mill hell? Why special?
 
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apdst said:
Do you support the race hustlers?
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So, you're running away. Good. Cowardly, but good. :)
 
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"So you wanted to kill him with Happy Meal instead of arresting him yet one more time?"
Hari Seldon said:
Correct, I wanted to kill him with a happy meal. Thanks for playing.
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Given his weight your nefarious scheme was clear to me all along.

You're welcome! :)
 
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"Correct, I wanted to kill him with a happy meal. Thanks for playing."
beefheart said:
reductio ad absurdium is wasted on guys like him...
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You have no sense of humor. That can be dangerous when combined with a basic lack of understanding about the topic being discussed.
 
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Hatuey said:
What if... Clive Bundy had been dragged out on the streets like a dog for refusing to pay the millions he owed in taxes and parading his gun in front of LEOs?

We'd have some posters in this thread screaming bloody murder and big government.
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We did anyway.

They were full of (bleep!), but they were screaming about big government over that one as it was.
 
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beefheart said:
So...no cross interrogation allowed is fine with you? Can you not see the potential for bias?

Evidently not.
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Do you understand that witnesses can be directly questioned?

Maybe you should explain your position. What, in your opinion, is a cross examination?
 
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Dittohead not! said:
We did anyway.

They were full of (bleep!), but they were screaming about big government over that one as it was.
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As it stands, the rule is simple:

If you arm yourself in order to stop lawful government action: You're within your rights.
If you flail your arms in front of a police officer and talk loudly: You're a violent criminal who needed to be put down.

The hypocrisy in this thread burns.
 
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gdgyva said:
why dont all you who want a trial pay for one

i am sure NYC will gladly put these cops on trial if you guys want to put your money up

But when the cops are acquitted, and your money is spent, dont come back crying

I'm serious....pool your money, and get your friends......3 million maybe a tad more.......

As you say, the price of justice......you can even hire your own prosecutor since you apparently think this one is tainted

better make it 4 million just to be safe........someone start a fund......i am sure there are thousands willing to throw good money down the drain
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They need to pay for the defense as well since it will be a show trial.
 
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Hatuey said:
As it stands, the rule is simple:

If you arm yourself in order to stop lawful government action: You're within your rights.
If you flail your arms in front of a police officer and talk loudly: You're a violent criminal who needed to be put down.

The hypocrisy in this thread burns.
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You got it.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
Reading through this thread and dealing with the other threads related to police involvement with suspects and the prosecution of such events I've come to very much appreciate the Canadian justice system. There's lots to love about America and your culture and government, etc., but your justice system is far too political for my liking. We have civilian oversight of police here - in any situation where a suspect is seriously injured or dies, that civilian oversight automatically investigates the matter and that civilian oversight determines whether or not charges will be laid. Seems in your system, all these parties that provide oversight and prosecution are elected officials beholden to those who elected them and those who funded them and they interfere severely with the pursuit of justice. To me, that's a terrible system.
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Fortunately it is not the one we have. The grand jury is comprised of citizens from the neighborhood where the trial is likely to take place. They are civilian citizens. They are independent of the prosecutor. They evaluate the evidence the prosecutor has, hears testimony from witnesses and then decides whether or not to charge. Where I live we use the property tax and voter registrations records as the grand jury pool. Anyone can be called and everyone who is called must present themselves for selection. Grand Juries here typically meet for one or two days. A few will meet several times over a two to three week period. Everything is done in secret.

It is a final brake against tyranny at the local level.
 
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Misterveritis said:
Do you understand that witnesses can be directly questioned?

Maybe you should explain your position. What, in your opinion, is a cross examination?
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Cross examination of the cop.

Sure would be nice, eh?
 
Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

Hatuey said:
As it stands, the rule is simple:

If you arm yourself in order to stop lawful government action: You're within your rights.
If you flail your arms in front of a police officer and talk loudly: You're a violent criminal who needed to be put down.

The hypocrisy in this thread burns.
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It is deeper than hypocrisy, which is really sad.

Thankfully the extremist fringe are just that, in the real world, their opinions are marginalized.
 
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Misterveritis said:
Fortunately it is not the one we have. The grand jury is comprised of citizens from the neighborhood where the trial is likely to take place. They are civilian citizens. They are independent of the prosecutor. They evaluate the evidence the prosecutor has, hears testimony from witnesses and then decides whether or not to charge. Where I live we use the property tax and voter registrations records as the grand jury pool. Anyone can be called and everyone who is called must present themselves for selection. Grand Juries here typically meet for one or two days. A few will meet several times over a two to three week period. Everything is done in secret.

It is a final brake against tyranny at the local level.
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That. Is. Not. True.

Frequently Asked Questions - Jury Service | Western District of New York

Your name was randomly selected from county voter registration lists and licensed motor vehicle operator lists for the State of New York.
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So your "neighbor" can live 5 miles from you.....with 200,000 people living in between you. Again, 8-10 million people in NYC, as such the word neighbor stretches it. Maybe in Alabama where they've got like half of NYCs population... for the entire frigging state. That's what? 1/5th of New York State?
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
Why? In a grand jury the prosecuter who is an extension of the local government and law enforcment is the one presenting the case against the cop who is on the same team.
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Now you are claiming corruption? Awesome.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
I'd also like to restate and clarify.


This isn't a race issue, this isn't a police on black issue. The number one killer of black men age 15-35 is other black men, not disease, not accidents, etc. it's other black men. While holder and obama are running thier mouths. WHEN have they EVER adressed the most dangerous thing facing black men?

It's a national tragedy here.


Police over enforment affects us all. but injeting race into it, isn't right here.
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If you want less police interaction then we all need less laws and less regulations.

This nonsense is being used to justify a call for more federal interference at the local levels. Your banks have been nationalized. And your health care. And now the police? We are firmly under fascist control and most of do not even see it.
 
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Hatuey said:
Ah, so now taxes are to blame for this? Lol. Nonsense.
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Root cause. Those who plunder must always have more plunder. Follow the money.

"This case cries out for an anti-tax rebellion. Ultimately it is liberalism that is at the root of this man's death."

Desperation is always the first sign of a person losing an argument. That you've reverted to political diatribes makes that obvious. :)
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There will always be some among us who will not see the truth. I know I can count on you to be among them.
Liberal city. Liberal mayor. Liberal tax structure. Large black market. And a large police force to enforce liberalisms tens of thousands of laws.

So a very fat man died. He was probably getting welfare and foodstamps, let more of liberalism's many poisonous fruits.
 
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joko104 said:
No, that is a complaint, but ultimately is a chock hold, his head being pressed into concrete, an adult's weight on his back and 3 officers slamming him down on concrete - plus due to those officers no citizen could attempt CPS either.

The violence was singularly initiated by the police. After he was unconscious, it then was the police who assured he then had to die as no one could come to his aid.

The cigarette tax to make cigarettes a luxury only for the rich didn't kill him. That is what put him standing there. It was his being violently assaulted by numerous police that killed him.
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I understand your arguments. The Grand Jury saw things differently than you do. It happens. I don't think the American Red Cross is going for the whole CPR thing any more. Just chest compressions. Now that is a tough thing to do on a 400 pounder.
 
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Hatuey said:
GJ jurors don't have to be his neighbors. In NY, they don't even need to live in the same city. So the neighbors thing is a bit of a stretch in a city of 10 million. Quit using it.
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Go suck an egg. Is there only one court in all of New York? Do people from Pennsylvania get bussed in to review the prosecutor's evidence? You are the expert in New York Grand Juries. You tell me how they are selected in New York. Here, where I live, it is on a county basis, but one can also be called on a town basis.

And yes, it is comprised of citizens who live where you live.
 
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joko104 said:
The reason for the GJ is because it is required, so a pointless technicality. In fact, there is no purpose to it in application.
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I suppose there is no real reason to even try the cases that being a pointless technicality. It is clear that you are tired and need a rest. You stopped making sense some time ago. Come back after you have slept.
 
Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

Grant said:
Right, we don't know what the Grand Jury heard but it would have to be remarkable if it goes against what this video clearly shows. I have to wonder if they even saw the video.
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Wonder all you want. When you join the mob you get what the mob gets. It always comes with a price. How are you any different than the looters and arsonists in Ferguson? Burning on emotion instead of reason still leaves you burned.

Where do you want to take this? Shall we have Eric Holder sitting on on every grand jury throughout the land to make sure the citizens see what Eric Holder wants him to see? When did you lose faith in the American citizen?

Or are you arguing that the district attorney is corrupt? Other than your feelings what is your evidence? Wait. You don't need evidence anymore. You now have feelings and they trump reason every time.

I wish you would reconsider. Your way is guaranteed to local tyranny. It will be a quiet tyranny. You won't see the lives wrecked by phony trials. But it will still happen. It always does.
 
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I hadn't really followed this case, but from what I've heard in the last day or so it seems to me that IF the actions of the police in this case did NOT equal a crime, then the law needs changed so it is.

Unless I totally misunderstood.
 
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