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No Indictment in Chokehold Death [W:1903,2680]

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Texmex said:
It takes a long time to get the stench of pig off, some former police officers are never able to completely escape the scent.
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This is yet another disgusting statement from you.


You don't help
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
"Officer, can your articulate the reasoable suspicion for detaining me"?
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I'm optimistic, but I'm going to play devils advocate and assume that the officer refuses to articulate the reasonable suspicion for detailing said suspect. What do you think should be done in response?
 
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Texmex said:
It takes a long time to get the stench of pig off, some former police officers are never able to completely escape the scent.
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I can't even imagine what kind of life you've led that would lead you to make such a statement. My condolences.
 
Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

Misterveritis said:
I believe you are better than this. You have not seen the evidence. You are going along with the mob.
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This is not about better... it's about right and wrong. Anyone with two eyes sees that a lack of indictment in Garners case was injustice. It had nothing to do with racists, it has nothing to do with going along with anyone... it's simple right and wrong. No indictment in Garners case was wrong.
 
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Misterveritis said:
Or yours is. It really does not matter to me. The Grand Jury, I am certain, was advised about the law as part of the evidence. Stop being a little boy. Put on your big boy pants.


Whether you agree or not is irrelevant. This is justice.
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If my views are irrelevant so are yours.
 
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WallStreetVixen said:
I'm optimistic, but I'm going to play devils advocate and assume that the officer refuses to articulate the reasonable suspicion for detailing said suspect. What do you think should be done in response?
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if you cant articulate the reasonable suspicion according to (i have to look it up) the supreme court you have to let them go.

By law the coo must be able to articulate the reasonable suspicion
 
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Grant said:
Why did he need arresting? Couldn't they just give him a ticket?
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That's a question for the mayor and the city council

Not the police force whose job it is to enforce those laws on the books
 
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Visbek said:
Oddly enough, most nations have eliminated grand juries, without the disastrous tyrannical consequences.

By the way, don't you already classify the US as a "tyranny" anyway...?
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And when these cases go straight to trial and there STILL isn't a conviction, you'll be whining about how jury trials are outdated and need to be abolished, too.

If anything is outdated, it's race hustling and it definitely needs to be abolished.
 
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Hatuey said:
I think the question is... Would you have arrested Eric Garner for selling bootleg cigarettes? Was he actually that much of a threat to the community? According to certain people on this forum, he was a damn gang war waiting to happen. Think about it. A 40 year old guy selling cigarettes on a street corner was a turf war waiting to happen. :lol:
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Do you believe cops should be able to decide which laws they enforce, and which ones they don't?
 
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apdst said:
And when these cases go straight to trial and there STILL isn't a conviction, you'll be whining about how jury trials are outdated and need to be abolished, too.

If anything is outdated, it's race hustling and it definitely needs to be abolished.
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Another blanket accusation meant to draw attention away from the issue, how odd for you apdst. Apdst simple question: Do you believe all of the conservative members who have agreed that this was a case of excessive force are race hustlers? Yes or no answer. No need to draw it out.
 
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Grant said:
Why did he need arresting? Couldn't they just give him a ticket?
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He'd already been arrested 31 times, 8 times for selling black market smokes.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
if you cant articulate the reasonable suspicion according to (i have to look it up) the supreme court you have to let them go.

By law the coo must be able to articulate the reasonable suspicion
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I know that, but lets say that police are not going to articulate reasonable suspicion, and just simply detain you (hence, the police harassment narrative). Then what do you do?
 
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Hatuey said:
Another blanket accusation meant to draw attention away from the issue, how odd for you apdst. Apdst simple question: Do you believe all of the conservative members who have agreed that this was a case of excessive force are race hustlers? Yes or no answer. No need to draw it out.
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Do you agree that all the Liberals who only complain about these cases, because it involves a black person, is a race hustler?
 
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beefheart said:
Uh no....he refused to follow through the courts...which is why the LEO's went to his ranch.

Keep coddling your welfare queen heroes and cheering on cops killing guys for selling a cigarette.
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If you have an erection longer than five days you really should seek medical help.
 
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WallStreetVixen said:
I know that, but lets say that police are not going to articulate reasonable suspicion, and just simply detain you (hence, the police harassment narrative). Then what do you do?
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Me? I state "i dont talk to police and will not be anserwing questions, i would like to call my lawyer"


And chant that **** like a hare krishna.
 
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Misterveritis said:
You should run to your local courthouse and volunteer to be on a grand jury.
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Been there done that. The level of evidence needed for a GJ is very low and the video by itself is enough to indict.

Misterveritis said:
You have no idea what the grand jury heard as testimony. But you want revenge. This is the worst of human instincts.
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Now your guessing my motives? :lamo Don't insult me.
Misterveritis said:
Great. Get your revenge. And then brace yourself for what must come. You are begging for tyranny. And if you succeed you shall have it.
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This has nothing to do with revenge it has to do with right and wrong. Your mama didn't teach you that when you were little? Mine did. And you talk about tyranny - that's ironic. The police and government who control the police are much more likely to be tyrannical than the citizen under them.

I have to start wondering you and other who share your views disbelieve your own eyes. I don't want the cop locked up for murder - it was an obvious accident. I want a jury to review it and give their judgement. Not much to ask in the Garner case.
 
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WallStreetVixen said:
She didn't roll her window down. She didn't open the door. And yes, the moment the officer said, 'open the door, I'm detaining you,' she didn't comply. Yes, she resisted arrest..
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No, being detained and being arrested are not the same.

WallStreetVixen said:
That's debatable. Resisting arrest can be seen as an admission of guilt, and won't go over in your favour during a hearing. The other two, so long as no one complains, is a non-issue. .
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No, but it can be a consideration in setting bond

WallStreetVixen said:
You don't have to asset them, but don't resist them.
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Police are now trained to shout "don't resist, stop resisting" if cameras are running. It is not resisting arrest when a person is instinctively trying to not be physically harmed.

There is nothing in that video I find shocking or troubling, other than she didn't resist arrest. That is routine "I don't like you" escalating the charge. Probably also charged with assault claiming she tried to roll the window up on the officer's fingers.

Of course, the officer COULD have just handed the clip board thru the what was then 2/3rd open window rather than he "I'm protecting myself." But why make it easy over a traffic ticket when you can make prove your authority over everyone and anyone, huh?
 
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Grant said:
Apparently the coroner ruled it as a homicide and the video would bear this out. If they were not cops but gang members, and doing exactly the same thing, the ruling would have been the same, though charges would certainly have been laid.
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Homicide means the death was caused by someone else

It doesn't mean it was an illegal action

I am sure you have heard the term justifiable homicide
 
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gdgyva said:
Do you believe cops should be able to decide which laws they enforce, and which ones they don't?
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They already do. Here are some basic example: Cop sees person X about to kill person Y? They have no responsibility towards providing for person's Y's safety even though a crime is being committed. Do you know how cops get CIs? Do you know why Sammy the Bull didn't spend most of his life in prison after admitting to having abducted and helped to murder various people? Lmao. You're either naive or purposely obtuse. Which is it?
 
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apdst said:
Do you agree that all the Liberals who only complain about these cases, because it involves a black person, is a race hustler?
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No. :shrug: Your turn. :)

Here is the question: Do you believe all of the conservative members who have agreed that this was a case of excessive force are race hustlers?

Yes or no question apdst. :)
 
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gdgyva said:
Homicide means the death was caused by someone else

It doesn't mean it was an illegal action

I am sure you have heard the term justifiable homicide
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That is the distinction.

But that was not the only possible criminal charges, was it. Reckless endangerment. Criminal assault. Official Oppression.

No one wants to talk about those. Let's keep it out of reality and have opposing loyalty platitudes only of absolutes.
 
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apdst said:
And when these cases go straight to trial and there STILL isn't a conviction, you'll be whining about how jury trials are outdated and need to be abolished, too.
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Uh, no. Even an instance of an unjust trial does not necessarily condemn the entire system. Nice try though.


If anything is outdated, it's race hustling and it definitely needs to be abolished.
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Ah yes, the conservative buzzword of the day. Nice.
 
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Hatuey said:
They already do. Here are some basic example: Cop sees person X about to kill person Y? They have no responsibility towards providing for person's Y's safety even though a crime is being committed. Do you know how cops get CIs? Do you know why Sammy the Bull didn't spend most of his life in prison after admitting to having abducted and helped to murder various people? Lmao. You're either naive or purposely obtuse. Which is it?
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True, police never have to arrest anyone or do anything UNLESS under a specific order by a court - and then it would only be possible contempt of court. A group of police officers would eat popcorn watching a gang rape and they would not have committed any offense.

Police decide who to give a ticket, who to give a pass. What kid to take in, what kid to take home. Police decide what laws to enforce and who to enforce them against all the time.
 
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