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No Indictment in Chokehold Death [W:1903,2680]

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Moot said:
My God....is that photo before or after or before Garner said he could breath? What exactly are you defending here, MMC?
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It seems some people in NYC feel very strongly against selling nicotine cigarettes on the streets.
 
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WallStreetVixen said:
You think every officer who enforces the laws agrees with them? Regardless of whether they do or not, they must enforce those laws.

With that being said, don't try to argue with the cops over whether or not you broke a law. You don't plead your case on the streets. You do it in court.
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Well if the cops are going to apply choke-holds and murder those who try to argue then I expect the courts will be kept quite full.
 
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WallStreetVixen said:
How would you have arrested Eric Garner?
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I think the question is... Would you have arrested Eric Garner for selling bootleg cigarettes? Was he actually that much of a threat to the community? According to certain people on this forum, he was a damn gang war waiting to happen. Think about it. A 40 year old guy selling cigarettes on a street corner was a turf war waiting to happen. :lol:
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
I'm Not sure how much a risk a stout would be in a financiak district tourist bar. *shrug*.


open door is pretty cool too, then there's that one with the odd gastro pub name around the corner from fraunces tavern as well.
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My firm is in midtown in the building of what was formally known as Lehman Brothers, so that is quite a distant. The only time I am close to the financial district is when there are open house events at Goldman Sachs, which is also not in the financial district (weird, I know).

But I'll try visiting sometime.

BTW I made a killing on BABA
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Bullish on China, I see.
 
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MaggieD said:
It's my understanding they sell them to the homeless, those who've "quit smoking" and e-cig smokers. No, I'm not that stupid.

Yet.

;)

Well, I just looked it up. Here's a whole article about loosies. I thought they bought them legally, but apparently they're mostly bootlegged from out of state. Ooops. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/05/nyregion/05loosie.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
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Why is there even a question of it IF he was doing illegally selling cigarettes? Clearly he would have the cigarettes on him.

ANYONE ELSE ever notice NO mention has EVER been made of the police stating they found those cigarettes on him - despite that being ENTIRELY what this supposedly was all about.

"We arrested him because someone said he had a gun" ... and then SILENCE about the question of "what about that alleged gun?"
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
I wouldn't. There was no probable cause.
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Of course there was. According to Lutherf, this guy was a turf war waiting to happen. By arresting him! We spared the life of some poor little girl who would have died from stray bullets. Here is the post:

Lutherf said:
Selling loosies, tagging, rolling bones in the alley, etc. It's all small stuff. Nobody should hassle with it.

Except that it never ends there.

One day someone gets pissed someone moved in on "their" territory and throws a punch. The "victim" comes back with a motorcycle chain. Next thing you know there's a gun, sad as it seems, little Suzy who was just playing on her doorstep gets an "accidental" bullet in her head.

You can't just let "the small stuff" go. All that does is set a precedent for bigger stuff.
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Because of this grandiose police action, the Great Cigarillo War of 2067 was avoided. Phew. We can all rest easy.
 
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Hatuey said:
I think the question is... Would you have arrested Eric Garner for selling bootleg cigarettes? Was he actually that much of a threat to the community? According to certain people on this forum, he was a damn gang war waiting to happen. Think about it. A 40 year old guy selling cigarettes on a street corner was a turf war waiting to happen. :lol:
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It probably started off as a mere confrontal for selling bootleg cigarettes; however, things can always escalate.

This is why I say, don't plead your case on the streets. Plead your case in court.
 
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WallStreetVixen said:
It probably started off as a mere confrontal for selling bootleg cigarettes; however, things can always escalate.

This is why I say, don't plead your case on the streets. Plead your case in court.
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Yes, we know, we know. Allow yourself to be harassed and then hope courts see things your way later.
 
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VanceMack said:
Have you seen the coroners report? Id actually really like to see it. Can you post a link?

Maybe he DID INDEED die of a heart attack. But excessive force? Dood was taken to the ground and handcuffed. Thats pretty standard and appropriate procedure for resisting arrest.
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Really? What they did to him was "standard procedure?" And you approve of it obviously.

What is the standard procedure for committing a burglary? Obviously if "standard procedure" it's legal. Defense attorney's should remember the "standard procedure" defense.
"He didn't rape her in other than in the standard procedure for rapists." Clearly then "Not Guilty."

IN FACT, I do believe THE PRIMARY COMPLAINT OF PROTESTORS IS THAT IS STANDARD PROCEDURE FOR THE NYPD.

I'm not sure I agree with you that ALL NYPD act this way, but maybe you know more about that than I do.
 
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Hatuey said:
I think the question is... Would you have arrested Eric Garner for selling bootleg cigarettes? Was he actually that much of a threat to the community? According to certain people on this forum, he was a damn gang war waiting to happen. Think about it. A 40 year old guy selling cigarettes on a street corner was a turf war waiting to happen. :lol:
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Is discretion no longer a part of a cop's arsenal of available options? He was also the father of six children and the cops didn't even see him selling cigarettes. This was murder. Eric Garner Video: Staten Island Police Chokehold Death
 
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Grant said:
Well if the cops are going to apply choke-holds and murder those who try to argue then I expect the courts will be kept quite full.
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I've seem people get detained for disobeying and being disorderly for simply things such as receiving tickets, as if it's the worst thing that could possibly happen to anyone.

If I get a ticket, I'll either pay it, plead guilty or fight it in court, but I'm not going to agitate anyone. Every action gives an equal but opposite reaction...
 
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Grant said:
Is discretion no longer a part of a cop's arsenal of available options? He was also the father of six children and the cops didn't even see him selling cigarettes. This was murder. Eric Garner Video: Staten Island Police Chokehold Death
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In my opinion the officer who jumped him from behind with the chock hold committed "felony reckless endangerment."

The officer who shoved his head into the concrete with his body weight committed felony assault.

I would need to see the coroner's report (and other experts reports on the autopsy) before considering manslaughter. I would not find it to be murder.
 
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Hatuey said:
Yes, we know, we know. Allow yourself to be harassed and then hope courts see things your way later.
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Then file charges for police harassment. Maybe things would be different today. Even if you have the narrative that police are just hostile towards black men, whate do you think acting hostile in response is going to accomplish?
 
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WallStreetVixen said:
Then file charges for police harassment.
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And hope the courts see things you way. You're not really doing much to counter my points.

Maybe things will be different today. Even if you have the narrative that police are just hostile towards black men, would do you think acting hostile in response is going to accomplish?
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I don't have a narrative towards this at all. I explained what your response meant. It meant that you believe people should allow themselves to be harassed and then, hopefully, peut-être, one day, maybe, quizas, quizas quizas, they'll get justice.
 
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Hatuey said:
But the cop is really sorry. Shouldn't that make things better for the family?
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Saying sorry to the cops or the judge has never worked for me. Even pleading insanity doesn't seem to do the trick.

I doubt this guy has ever bought that 'I'm sorry' excuse from others.
 
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Hatuey said:
Yes we know Vancemack, play the game of real vs. fake. It allows you to avoid discussing what everyone saw happened in this video. However, for all your distractions, they don't detract from the fact that this guy was being arrested for allegedly selling a few cigarettes. Spare me your support for other cases you feel people were really abused. I don't honestly give much of a **** about your ever changing standards for when black men should be and shouldn't be attacked. I'm surprised you haven't brought up a Malcolm X quote about Democrats or complained about how people aren't discussing black on black violence. It must be because this guy was seen by cops breaking up a fight or you would have jumped on that strategy. Now all you have is the fake vs. real game and I'm really not interested in discussing whether someone should be violently brought down for the terrible crime of being angry that police harass him.
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Why aren't you attacking the liberal establishment that has added taxes upon taxes upon taxes and constrained and restricted people from starting businesses? This case cries out for an anti-tax rebellion. Ultimately it is liberalism that is at the root of this man's death.
 
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WallStreetVixen said:
Then file charges for police harassment. Maybe things would be different today. Even if you have the narrative that police are just hostile towards black men, whate do you think acting hostile in response is going to accomplish?
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No, people can't "file charges." That is a slogan myth. Only police or DAs can file charges.

Yes, this is the final argument for being a submissive person. Life will be much easier on you if you are submissive and regressive.

That's the motto of the stock brokers on the Stock Exchange floor too. Be submissive and docile. It is a highly desired trait and the route to success in life - being submissive to hostility. :lol:

Do work in the food service industry in NYC maybe?
 
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WallStreetVixen said:
I've seem people get detained for disobeying and being disorderly for simply things such as receiving tickets, as if it's the worst thing that could possibly happen to anyone.

If I get a ticket, I'll either pay it, plead guilty or fight it in court, but I'm not going to agitate anyone. Every action gives an equal but opposite reaction...
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Eric Garner did not apply a choke-hold on anyone so Newton's third law doesn't apply here.
 
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joko104 said:
In my opinion the officer who jumped him from behind with the chock hold committed "felony reckless endangerment."

The officer who shoved his head into the concrete with his body weight committed felony assault.

I would need to see the coroner's report (and other experts reports on the autopsy) before considering manslaughter. I would not find it to be murder.
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Apparently the coroner ruled it as a homicide and the video would bear this out. If they were not cops but gang members, and doing exactly the same thing, the ruling would have been the same, though charges would certainly have been laid.
 
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Misterveritis said:
Why aren't you attacking the liberal establishment that has added taxes upon taxes upon taxes and constrained and restricted people from starting businesses?
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Ah, so now taxes are to blame for this? Lol. Nonsense.

This case cries out for an anti-tax rebellion. Ultimately it is liberalism that is at the root of this man's death.
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Desperation is always the first sign of a person losing an argument. That you've reverted to political diatribes makes that obvious. :)
 
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