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No Indictment in Chokehold Death [W:1903,2680]

Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

Do you realize his death was ruled a homicide? I'll give you a clue. Homicide doesn't mean he died because of an asthma attack. Please keep making stuff up. It's fun to see you play the real vs. fake game. :)
Do you realize that his death was not and in fact COULD not be a 'homicide' as there has been no jury ruling or court finding that the officer was guilty of a deliberate and unlawful killing of an individual? DO you realize the autopsy described NUMEROUS contributing factors including weight, asthma, apnea, cardiac, etc?
 
Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

If that was "Agitated" those cops need to take up knitting, police work is not for them. Being mad at harrassment is not being "Aggressive" and his only "resisting" began when that dude put the choke in.


It is not illegal to tell a cop to go **** himself.

and if a cop "hooks you up" for doing so, he should lose his job.
Go watch some more Dragnet.
 
Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

What was he charged with except not accepting state tyranny by allowing himself to be submissive to an officer who had NO reason to hassle him?

Do you suggest we, as citizens of the United States, to simply do as we're told whenever an officer gives us an order?

Unless the police are coming for your guns..then it is evidently OK to shoot at them...
 
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Really? Five cops approached and confronted him, why then?

He was confronted because they assumed he was involved in a fight. Even that is disputable as the officer supposedly watched him disrupt a fight that he wasn't involved in initially.

The whole loosey topic was brought up because Garner had a record of selling them and the cop knew him in regards to that.
 
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Then don't expect for them to treat you with kid gloves.

No speak, fine. Cuffed until we find out who called and why and if you are part of the issue. Still wont talk, you are obstructing. To jail you go.

You clearly have zero understanding of the law.
 
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Do you realize that his death was not and in fact COULD not be a 'homicide'

Please stop lying.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/04/n...land-chokehold-death-of-eric-garner.html?_r=0

An autopsy by the city’s medical examiner found that Mr. Garner’s death was a homicide resulting from the chokehold — a maneuver banned by the Police Department in 1993 — and the compression of his chest by police

as there has been no jury ruling or court finding that the officer was guilty of a deliberate and unlawful killing of an individual?

Homicide doesn't mean what you think it means. Do you know what homicide means? I'll give you some tips:

Homicide Definition - FindLaw

To begin with, not all homicides are crimes. Homicides include all killings of humans. Many homicides, such as murder and manslaughter, violate criminal laws. Others, such as a killing committed in justified self-defense, are not criminal. Illegal killings range from manslaughter to murder, with multiple degrees of each representing the gravity of the crime. - See more at: Homicide Definition - FindLaw

Homicide | Wex Legal Dictionary / Encyclopedia | LII / Legal Information Institute

Homicide is when one human being causes the death of another. Not all homicide is murder, as some killings are manslaughter, and some are lawful, such as when justified by an affirmative defense, like insanity or self-defense.

Please bring up the dictionary definition of homicide as an argument against the definitions I've plucked from Cornell's University's faculty of law.
 
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It's readily apparent that CRUE CAB has never watched the full video of the incident.
 
Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

Just as an aside, I've been reading through this thread - I'm a slow reader and I like to get everyone's take - and I'm heartened by the number of people of all walks and all political ideologies who are, like myself, troubled by this event. While I don't know that the officer would have been convicted, I believe a trial on a lesser charge would have allowed the community to pass judgement more fully and would have informed the police on community standards as they relate to police enforcement.
 
Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

Police were called. He was there and part of some melee or fight. Was told to stand down, turn around, and be detained until it was figured out who the bad guys were.
He got loud and agitated. Bad idea.

Why don't you watch the video before you spew this garbage?
 
Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

Sure they are,

In one you defended a man resisting lawful government action.
In the other, you supported police harming an unarmed civilian for selling untaxed cigarettes.

Those are two different issues in which your inconsistent positions on accountability are more than obvious. :)

Who died at the Bundy Ranch?
 
Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

Never had any of my arrests questioned.

Have you, or have you not arrested someone for not indicting themselves for something they refused to say?
 
Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

Just as an aside, I've been reading through this thread - I'm a slow reader and I like to get everyone's take - and I'm heartened by the number of people of all walks and all political ideologies who are, like myself, troubled by this event. While I don't know that the officer would have been convicted, I believe a trial on a lesser charge would have allowed the community to pass judgement more fully and would have informed the police on community standards as they relate to police enforcement.
Troubles me that one there is a law against selling individual cigs. But two, he there is that law and he broke in many times.
Dude was not a saint and was well known to the police. Never ends well for anyone.
 
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Who died at the Bundy Ranch?

Ah, so what you're saying is that if Eric Garner had shown the police his gun and intentions to use it if police used force, you would have supported him? Your consistent inconsistency is showing.
 
Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

Yes you can, its a crime.

No, you can't, because you can't be resisting arrest until the cops are actually ATTEMPTING TO ARREST YOU. Do you know what "caught red-handed" means?
 
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If a person can say "I can't breathe" that means the person is NOT being chocked. It would more likely indicate 1.) a heart problem 2.) a lung problem or 3.) being crushed.

It would NOT indicate being chocked. If a person is chocking the person is unable to speak (obviously).

Expelling air (i.e. speaking) is a different function to breathing in. Much easier to breathe out when your being pinned down, than it is to breathe in.
 
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Troubles me that one there is a law against selling individual cigs. But two, he there is that law and he broke in many times.
Dude was not a saint and was well known to the police. Never ends well for anyone.

If he was indeed well-known to police, then they knew he was no danger to anyone. They were elephants stomping a flea.
 
Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

Please stop lying.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/04/n...land-chokehold-death-of-eric-garner.html?_r=0





Homicide doesn't mean what you think it means. Do you know what homicide means? I'll give you some tips:

Homicide Definition - FindLaw



Homicide | Wex Legal Dictionary / Encyclopedia | LII / Legal Information Institute



Please bring up the dictionary definition of homicide as an argument against the definitions I've plucked from Cornell's University's faculty of law.

hom·i·cide
ˈhäməˌsīd/Submit
nounNORTH AMERICAN
the deliberate and unlawful killing of one person by another; murder.
"he was charged with homicide"
synonyms: murder, killing, slaughter, butchery, massacre; More
the police department that deals with murders.
noun: Homicide
"a detective from Homicide"
dated
a murderer.
https://www.google.com/#q=Homicide

The legal distinction was immediately brought up by the police chief. The distinction needs to be made. Ruling the death a 'homicide' does not equal the cop committed a homicide.

The video is quite clear. The 'choke' was applied for approximately 8 seconds while the individual was taken to the ground. Once he was on the ground (a place he did not need to be had he not decided he was not going to be arrested) the same officer that applied the hold to take him down released it and moved to his shoulders holding his head down. He did not die of being choked to death. The coroners report listed NUMEROUS contributing causes.
 
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I was not aware that the penalty for "resisting arrest," which this guy barely did and no police were in danger in any way, was death.

The penalty for speeding away resulting in a police chase is not death either, but sometimes bad things happen and that speeding away leads to your car wrapped around a light standard and you dead. Just a different kind of "resisting arrest".
 
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Have you, or have you not arrested someone for not indicting themselves for something they refused to say?

Roll up, and if all actors are in premises. The loudest and most agitated gets the most attention. You never know what that one will do. Will he bolt, take a swing, pull a weapon.
Tell them to sit, and they don't. Sit them. Tell them to keep their hands where you can see them and they don't, they get cuffed.
They want to clam up after we have been called. Fine, but you are not going anywhere until I find out what your part in this deal is.
If not much. You may walk right there. Be a dick, I can be a dick too.
Every cop in the country is like that.
 
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