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No Indictment in Chokehold Death [W:1903,2680]

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Henrin said:
You need to understand that to some people it's the law and you have to do what the law says is a very powerful argument. Therefore, if the law says you did something wrong and you don't act like a submissive little sheep you're being out of line and force is called for to get you to behave. It's the circle of logic that is necessary to really believe in any of this stuff really and it's one of the reasons I no longer do.
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If a cop is in the process of arresting you...feel free to choose to decline to comply with his guidance and direction. God bless America.
 
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VanceMack said:
Dood, get real.

He is dead because he was unhealthy as hell, resisted arrest, and had a heart attack. You claim he wasnt resisting arrest. WTF? In the same paragraph you state he was arguing that there was no reason for the arrest and he didnt like people grabbing his arms. You then later say besides..I dont care if he was resisting. What the hell do you think they were doing grabbing his arms if not attempting to arrest. NOT resisting arrest would be, OK...fine, hands behind my back, book me, and I'll beat your trumped up charges. He DID resist arrest and a cop grabbed him from behind. In 8 seconds he was on the ground and the officer that took him down was no longer choking him but was on his shoulders holding him down.

Tell me what you think the cops options are in that situation. They saw what they believed to be a criminal offense...selling unlicensed cigarettes, something he was found guilty of in the past. He didnt want to be arrested. Now what? Cops just walk away saying "ok....dangit!" Next time they pull over someone under suspicion of DUI should they just not arrest the guy if the guy says I dont want to be arrested!?

I dont know if he was guilty of the crime or not. I do know that when you have a system of laws and a society that requires 'order', then when law enforcement officials make the decision to arrest you, you dont get to say 'no' and walk away.
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Well you definitely dont choke the guy who never once tried to hurt you. Not even for 1 second.
 
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VanceMack said:
The same person that grabbed him from behind is the same person that moved to his shoulders and held his head down 8 seconds after he hit the ground. The entire time he was saying "I CANT BREATHE! I CANT BREATHE!" guess what he was doing. BREATHING. He was overweight, out of shape, and had asthma. He wasnt being choked out. He died because he over exerted himself resisting arrest, hence the factors acute and chronic bronchial asthma, obesity and hypertensive cardiovascular disease

I feel bad that he is dead. I feel bad for his family. I really dont know what you and people like you expect law enforcement to do in situations where people are clearly and obviously resisting arrest. He wasnt beaten. He wasnt tazed. They didnt try to attack joints to take him down. No one intended to hurt or harm him. If he werent 400 pounds and a cheeseburger away from a heart attack, he wouldnt be dead today.
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What do you expect him to say? "I'm sorry officer but the blood you just denied my brain has got me in a state of shock and it just so happens that Im having trouble drawing breath. I seem to have a tax upon my respiratory and circulatory system which is endangering my life. If you could please ask all these fine gentleman to get off me perhaps my body will funcion in a more livable manner"
 
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dirtpoorchris said:
Well you definitely dont choke the guy who never once tried to hurt you. Not even for 1 second.
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Great. Now tell me what you do.
 
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VanceMack said:
The same person that grabbed him from behind is the same person that moved to his shoulders and held his head down 8 seconds after he hit the ground. The entire time he was saying "I CANT BREATHE! I CANT BREATHE!" guess what he was doing. BREATHING. He was overweight, out of shape, and had asthma. He wasnt being choked out. He died because he over exerted himself resisting arrest, hence the factors acute and chronic bronchial asthma, obesity and hypertensive cardiovascular disease

I feel bad that he is dead. I feel bad for his family. I really dont know what you and people like you expect law enforcement to do in situations where people are clearly and obviously resisting arrest. He wasnt beaten. He wasnt tazed. They didnt try to attack joints to take him down. No one intended to hurt or harm him. If he werent 400 pounds and a cheeseburger away from a heart attack, he wouldnt be dead today.
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Really? How was he resisting when he was on the ground?

I suppose one thing the officers could have done is told him that he should turn around and put his hands behind his back because they were arresting him and spent a few more minutes talking to him. Apparently 31 times before he had been taken in - and not one instance of assaulting an officer or resisting arrest.

Given he was poising no threat of violence nor any attempt to escape, there is no justification for jumping up on his back by surprise from behind with a choke hold. And with that OUTRAGEOUS action - the other officers went on the attack too.

What do I think the officers should have done? OK, get ready for this. It's very complex...

WROTE HIM A TICKET. Wished him a good day. And walked away. If not a ticket offense, take his name and address, his ID number, given him a case number, and then have a summons sent to him to appear in court.

The hatred of people who are overweight on this thread is stunning.
 
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dirtpoorchris said:
What do you expect him to say? "I'm sorry officer but the blood you just denied my brain has got me in a state of shock and it just so happens that Im having trouble drawing breath. I seem to have a tax upon my respiratory and circulatory system which is endangering my life. If you could please ask all these fine gentleman to get off me perhaps my body will funcion in a more livable manner"
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You know what you cant do when you are being choked? Shout "I cant breathe! I cant breathe!"

He wasnt being choked. He may have been in cardiac arrest because of his lack of conditioning and physical exertion but he wasnt being choked.

You know how NONE of this happens? He doesnt resist arrest. I know you dont like to hear it, but when a cop has observed what they believe to be a criminal act that warrants arrest, you are going to be arrested.
 
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VanceMack said:
If a cop is in the process of arresting you...feel free to choose to decline to comply with his guidance and direction. God bless America.
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You're not impressing me right now.
 
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joko104 said:
Really? How was he resisting when he was on the ground?

I suppose one thing the officers could have done is told him that he should turn around and put his hands behind his back because they were arresting him and spent a few more minutes talking to him. Apparently 31 times before he had been taken in - and not one instance of assaulting an officer or resisting arrest.

Given he was poising no threat of violence nor any attempt to escape, there is no justification for jumping up on his back from behind with a choke hold. And with that OUTRAGEOUS action - the other officers went on the attack too.

I never resisted anything by police - ever - but one time an officer among a group of officers shoved me by surprise from behind. It was a half a second of my realizing from the startle it was an officer that kept him from having a broken wrist and collar bone. The officer was testing me - and my instant violent response was way he (the senior officer) decided my account of what happened was true. But that's another matter.

What do I think the officers should have done? OK, get ready for this. It's very complex...

WROTE HIM A TICKET. Wished him a good day. And walked away.

The hatred of people who are overweight on this thread is stunning.
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:lamo

Thats pathetic. Why was he on the ground?

If the offense he was being charged with was a ticket offense, fine...happy days. Was it? If not, then is your problem with the cop or with the people that write the statutes cops enforce?

"Hatred"

:lamo Like I said....pathetic.
 
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Henrin said:
You're not impressing me right now.
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Not even remotely trying to impress you. Hell...you were the one spewing your mock bravado. I want you to make sure if you ever are in a situation where you are going to resist arrest, please make sure you have someone film it and post it for us...okay?
 
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VanceMack said:
You know what you cant do when you are being choked? Shout "I cant breathe! I cant breathe!"

He wasnt being choked. He may have been in cardiac arrest because of his lack of conditioning and physical exertion but he wasnt being choked.

You know how NONE of this happens? He doesnt resist arrest. I know you dont like to hear it, but when a cop has observed what they believe to be a criminal act that warrants arrest, you are going to be arrested.
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Actually it is possible to still use your vocal cords if someone is applying a blood constricting choke. But the fact that the cop choked him is undeniable. Its very clear because his arm was around his neck and squeezing.
 
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VanceMack said:
Not even remotely trying to impress you. Hell...you were the one spewing your mock bravado. I want you to make sure if you ever are in a situation where you are going to resist arrest, please make sure you have someone film it and post it for us...okay?
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Being part of a gang that is assaulting someone doesn't make you a man. It makes you a thug and an idiot.
 
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VanceMack said:
You know what you cant do when you are being choked? Shout "I cant breathe! I cant breathe!"

He wasnt being choked. He may have been in cardiac arrest because of his lack of conditioning and physical exertion but he wasnt being choked.

You know how NONE of this happens? He doesnt resist arrest. I know you dont like to hear it, but when a cop has observed what they believe to be a criminal act that warrants arrest, you are going to be arrested.
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Actually it is possible to still use your vocal cords if someone is applying a blood constricting choke. But the fact that the cop choked him is undeniable. Its very clear because his arm was around his neck and squeezing.
 
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Henrin said:
Being part of a gang that is assaulting someone doesn't make you a man. It makes you a thug and an idiot.
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Alrighty then.

But hey...I'm serious about that video thing, OK?
 
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dirtpoorchris said:
Actually it is possible to still use your vocal cords if someone is applying a blood constricting choke. But the fact that the cop choked him is undeniable. Its very clear because his arm was around his neck and squeezing.
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Watch the video. When he is shouting he cant breathe, no one is applying a choke hold. The choke hold was in place for about 8 seconds while he was taken to the ground. After he was on the ground, the officer in the sports shirt moved his weight to the mans shoulders and held his head down. Thats when he started complaining that he couldnt breathe. That would happen if an extremely overweight and out of shape individual overexerted himself.

Good rule of thumb...dont resist arrest and bad **** like this doesnt happen.
 
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Peter Grimm said:
Doesn't look like they tried to hurt him. Looks like they tried to tackle him and make the arrest, which is what they are supposed to do when someone resists arrest.

It's not their job to negotiate with the guy. If he really didn't do anything wrong, the place to have that debate is at the police station.
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Bull****. The first cop in immediately went to the chokehold. "Not trying to hurt him" my left nut.
 
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VanceMack said:
You know what you cant do when you are being choked? Shout "I cant breathe! I cant breathe!"

He wasnt being choked. He may have been in cardiac arrest because of his lack of conditioning and physical exertion but he wasnt being choked.

You know how NONE of this happens? He doesnt resist arrest. I know you dont like to hear it, but when a cop has observed what they believe to be a criminal act that warrants arrest, you are going to be arrested.
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You didn't want the video to what happens physiologically posted earlier on this thread, did you? Including to breathing and the heart.

And, once again, you - like the DA - wanted it only considered as absolutes. Murder. Or nothing.

They should do that for traffic tickets too. If you are stopped for speeding, unless they can prove you murdered someone by your speeding the ticket it dismissed.

Jumping him by surprise from behind with a choke hold was a violent assault. That's illegal too. But the GJ was given only murder/manslaughter or nothing to pick from.

You left off the last part of your last sentence, didn't you? "...you are going to be arrested or killed trying."
 
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joko104 said:
You didn't want the video to what happens physiologically posted earlier on this thread, did you? Including to breathing and the heart.

And, once again, you - like the DA - wanted it only considered as absolutes. Murder. Or nothing.

They should do that for traffic tickets too. If you are stopped for speeding, unless they can prove you murdered someone by your speeding the ticket it dismissed.

Jumping him by surprise from behind with a choke hold was a violent assault. That's illegal too. But the GJ was given only murder/manslaughter or nothing to pick from.

You left off the last part of your last sentence, didn't you? "...you are going to be arrested or killed trying."
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Oh sweet baby geeeezus. "Jumping him by surprise from behind with a choke hold was a violent assault"

:lamo
 
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VanceMack said:
Alrighty then.

But hey...I'm serious about that video thing, OK?
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Just call your gang of idiots. Aren't you buddies with them? Oh right, only prison guards that rape dudes are you buddies with. Well, don't call those guys. I just want physically assaulted. Keep your sexual assault prison guard buddies in prison, thanks.
 
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vesper said:
I said "swatted" not smacked. And yes he did. First he stood there and argued with them. He started backing up from them and swatted at them to push them away as they tried to arrest him.
Yes it is illegal in NYC to use the chokehold. The officer was stripped of his badge and gun for that action.
And for your information, the one that filmed the video that has gone viral was Garner's friend, Ramsey Orta.

"The man who recorded a New York City police officer using a chokehold during the arrest of a man who later died in custody was arrested himself late Saturday on a gun charge.

Ramsey Orta, 22, is charged with two counts of criminal possession of a weapon. Police said Orta had a previous weapon conviction that prohibited him from possessing a firearm. He is due in court this month on robbery charges stemming from a May arrest and an assault charge from an arrest July 14, according to court records."

Man who recorded video of NYPD chokehold arrested on gun charge | Fox News

Garner nor his friend that filmed the video are/were law abiding citizens.
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Thus, they deserve death.
 
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Henrin said:
Just call your gang of idiots. Aren't you buddies with them? Oh right, only prison guards that rape dudes are you buddies with. Well, don't call those guys. I just want physically assaulted. Keep your sexual assault prison guard buddies in prison, thanks.
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:lamo

Thats hilarious!
 
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VanceMack said:
:lamo

Thats hilarious!
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It's your story dude. I'm just reporting on who your buddies are.

And yes, it was supposed to be humorous.
 
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Kobie said:
Bull****. The first cop in immediately went to the chokehold. "Not trying to hurt him" my left nut.
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Can you imagine that defense otherwise?

4 men. One surprises a man by jumping on this back from behind in a chock hold - as 2, the 3 more men shove him to the concrete. The chock hold continues, another man put most his body weight pressing his head against the concrete, and still another on his back - as the man begs "I can't breathe. I can't breathe."

All on video. The men arrested for assault.

And the defense attorney says: "Your honor, by the video itself clearly my clients weren't trying to hurt him."

Yeah, you can do that to anyone. Jump anyone from behind in a chock hold and you and your buddies throw that person to the concrete - because its not like you're hurting the person. :lol:

The cop groupies/worshippers messages always become this bizarre.
 
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MaggieD said:
Amadeus, they didn't tackle and choke him because he wasn't paying a tax. They took him to the ground because he resisted arrest.

People!!! Tell your damned kids, family and friends to fight the coppers in the courtroom not on the street. We've lost hundreds of thousands of men in battlefields to give you that right. Jesus!!
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His "fight" consisted of a weak slapping motion, at which point he was IMMEDIATELY put in a chokehold, after which four officers dogpiled him, one of whom had his knee on Garner's temple.

Don't start using war dead as props to justify police using OBVIOUSLY excessive force. That's tacky as ****.
 
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watched the video
read the reports
read many articles
read the coroner and medical reports

this should go to trial for sure

if innocents remains after the trial, fine but it not going to trial is an injustice IMO and VERY concerning
 
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