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No Indictment in Chokehold Death [W:1903,2680]

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Sure, you could be held liable if you scared or overworked someone to death (I'm sure they make people on the Biggest Loser sign a waiver though).

Is it possible for me to sign a waiver allowing you to have your criminal way with me? If I consent to my murder isn't it really a murder-suicide?
 
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Home of the free, unless you're fat. Then you're just walking dead.

Misterveritis is a cop worshipper. There are quite a few on the forum, just like their are a lot of cop haters. The messages of both radical sides on these topics are generally worthless.
 
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Yep. Too big to fail and too fat to be arrested. What an awesome country. We are led by Marxists and have become a nation of sheep and fools.

We have our very own criminal class. We call them politicians.

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Keep trying to convince yourself...
 
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1064051831 said:
He never got that chance now did he?

For the cigarette? It did not look like it. Should this death be chalked up to tobacco?
 
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The coroner ruling it a homicide is very relevant. It means the coroner ruled he didn't die of natural or health causes. It means he was killed by one or more other people. The question, then is 1.) is the coroner correct and if so 2.) was the killing an illegal act?

Nope. Doesn't mean that at all. Just means he didn't die of natural causes. His being overweight contributed to why he died while being restrained.
 
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You have made this claim several times. Do you have a link to show it is against the law?
Did you catch tres borrachos reply to me in regard to the first time you asked me the same question?

"Originally Posted by tres borracho

It isn't illegal. It was banned by the NYPD.

(Info just fed to me by Mr. B who called his sister's husband who just retired after 17 years with NYPD) - please confirm on internet if this info is false. My BIL said people who keep calling it "illegal" are wrong, it's not "illegal" just prohibited by the NYPD."
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I found an archived article from the NYT verifying the department banned chokeholds in 1993.
Kelly Bans Choke Holds By Officers - NYTimes.com
 
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Just posted below that I had my husband chokehold me for a few seconds. i couldn't utter a sound because there was no air to pull in and i had exhaled before. yes he was getting air in that hold. not that I think it was right but it wasn't cutting off his breathing.
The damage from a choke hold doesnt come from lack of air. It comes from restricting bloodflow to the brain. Its actually very very h ard to cut off the windpipe and totally negate breathing. Chokes should only be used in life threatening situations. PERIOD.
 
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I love the judgment of his supposed smoking habit and weight on this thread. I'm sure the people doing the judging are the picture of perfect health, too! Daily exercise, bi-yearly check ups, good diet...LOL
 
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He died because his heart stopped, not because he couldn't breath. Now, choking him was a likely factor in his heart stopping...stress kills fat people. It's a fact.


Also a fact?


Resisting arrest, no matter the offense, can, and likely WILL, result in violence, and a continuing escalation of such until either all of them, or you, are dead. There is no other option.


Cops should, what? Let unhealthy people go? Sit around for five hours trying to reason with unreasonable people? Cops get paid by the hour, folks. Should they negotiate with the people they intend to arrest? "Oh, sorry, sir, you DON'T want these cuffs? Well, I'll tell you what...you don't tell anyone about this, and I'll just let you right on in the back of my car, ok? Just for you."



Here's the facts. This guy clearly broke a rule, no matter how insignificant. He was placed under arrest for the, what, 30th time? He resisted. He did not comply with the orders issued him by the arresting officer. The officer then proceeded to use force, to which, he resisted that as well. The force escalated. Again, what you want the cops to do? Apologize? Let him go? But only those that REALLY don't want to get arrested, and only if it's not a serious crime?

You have a problem with the law he broke, take that up with those that write them, and more importantly, those that vote in those that write them...not the people charged with enforcing them.
They could have wrestled with him until he was pacified. Seeing as he never tried to hurt anyone. But instead 1 cop chose to use a lethal move and all the other cops let him. Too bad this guy wasnt here to save him.
 
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They could have wrestled with him until he was pacified. Seeing as he never tried to hurt anyone. But instead 1 cop chose to use a lethal move and all the other cops let him. Too bad this guy wasnt here to save him.


Why'd he tackle that cop? That eye gouge tho...
 
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Obesity isn't punishable by death.
It kinda sorta is. Carrying around two hundred pounds of fat does tend to kill the fat one.

You want to justify the killing of someone over something so freaking petty.
Can you show me where I have justified killing someone?

You are using obesity as your cognitive dissonance. You are the one blood dancing here and praising the actions of an overactive police using deadly force for a silly thing that should be no more than a summons.
Blood dancing? Cool. If I search for it on Youtube will I find some "killer moves"?

I did not see anyone using deadly force. Apparently no one on the Grand Jury saw what you saw either. Maybe you need to volunteer to be on a local grand jury so you are more familiar with how it works.

A common criminal who also happened to be a fatass resisted arrest, got all excited and had a heart attack. That is a shame. But it is not a crime.

Sounds like you are the one licking the jackboots.
You lack imagination and probably wisdom. The Grand Jury system was devised so that ordinary citizens, drawn from local communities, could decide who faces trial by the government. So you disagree with a grand jury's results. Who cares. It does not have to be a perfect system in order to be an effective system.

You need to find a better victim.
 
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Didn't he weigh (live weight) about 400 pounds? And he was resisting arrest. And now you are wondering why several police officers chose to help to get him on the ground and under control?

Dead he probably weighed less.

Screaming "I can't breathe" isn't a clue to you or the cop who killed him?
 
Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

No, what I'm saying is that Erod's claim of the people posting in this thread is complete bull****. Now move along.
Your emotion has certainly trumped logic.
 
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Some people just don't get how the rule of law works. You don't get to resist arrest, no matter how petty the crime. You submit to the arresting officer because that's what the law requires you to do.

If you get injured or killed trying to resist arrest, that's on you and nobody else. The cop shouldn't have to put himself in danger because you're being a dumbass.
Thats not true. If you are innocent you can resist arrest. You may end up hurt or killed. But you can still do it. You know its illegal for a cop to assualt or detain you for no reason right? You know its legal for you to shoot a swat team if they break into your house unjustified and unanounced right? It may be smarter for your overall safety to comply but it isnt a requirement. The fault chain truly begins with assault by the cops against a non-violent. With 5 officers there is NO REASON to choke the man with a lethal manuever. So what? it would have taken them an extra minute to get the cuffs on without the choke.

If a cop says "you are under arrest!" and you haven't committed a crime then the cop is the beginning of fault.
 
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"And that is the whole purpose of the once revered US Constitution. If you believe what you wrote then get your state to demand an Article V convention of states to propose amendments."
It was the purpose, but the government no longer seems bound by it.
Now carefully read the second sentence. Now go do it.
 
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Your emotion has certainly trumped logic.

You're still pretending you actually addressed my post? Please tell us you're not desperate enough to claim that all of the tough on crime conservative posters who have posted here are running away from the law too.
 
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Nope. Doesn't mean that at all. Just means he didn't die of natural causes. His being overweight contributed to why he died while being restrained.

Homicide EXACTLY means the person was killed by another person or persons. You are arguing with the coroner's finding, not what "homicide" means.
 
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What exotic disease? Tell us. :)

There are a wide variety of dangerous diseases one can be exposed to. The one that scares me the most is Hepatitis. HIV is also available to go.
 
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A 400 pound black guy died because the NYPD was enforcing liberal granny state cigarette tax laws.
 
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There are a wide variety of dangerous diseases one can be exposed to. The one that scares me the most is Hepatitis. HIV is also available to go.

CPR does not require mouth to mouth.
 
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Bundy doesn't pay his taxes, he is a welfare queen. Why isn't he placed in a chokehold?

I would not be surprised if there are differences between these two cases. Why don't you open up a thread about how Bundy and this fatass are exactly alike. When I find the time I will come by and amuse myself.
 
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