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No Indictment in Chokehold Death [W:1903,2680]

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Μολὼν λαβέ;1064051646 said:
He was given chest compressions. The cop compressed his throat and his chest, thereby killing him, which is a homicide.

Right, well, those aren't exactly the types of chest compressions I was referring to. lol
 
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If you can't breath, you can't talk. This guy felt he couldn't breath because of chest compression . . . says Coroner MaggieD. ;)

Sure you can. Did you see the video?
 
Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

Garner swatted at the police and resisted arrest. This is a man who had been arrested 30 previous times. After thirty times, you think a person would know that isn't how one is to react. Most likely the reason he resisted is his ass was already in deep doo doo because he was out on bail over a number of criminal charges and selling black market cigarettes was one of them which he was busted by an undercover cop prior to his arrest.

The cop that used the chokehold, an illegal move in New York City, almost immediately had his badge and gun stripped from him for his wrongdoing.

Garner's massive heart attack had several factors. He had asthma, heart disease and obesity weighing in at almost 400 pounds.

Can you provide a link to show that the hold the officer used was illegal?
 
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He's dead because he's too fat, lazy and stupid to get a real job.

The death penalty doesn't apply to that.

And you, or any cop arresting someone for what should be a ticket should not be the executioner.
 
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1064051609 said:
He got more than a headache. Can you imagine the terror the man felt begging for his life ("I can't breathe", multiple times) with no affect?

Μολὼν λαβέ;1064051654 said:
Sure you can. Did you see the video?

I did see the video. He said several times that he couldn't breath. My point, insignificant though it is, is that he could breath. If he couldn't breath? He couldn't TALK. Try it yourself. You'll find it's impossible...like licking your elbow.
 
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Why isnt it illegal? It sure as hell seems illegal to me.
I have no idea. Maybe it works just fine most of the time to subdue someone early in a confrontation, before they are able to hurt others or be injured themselves. Your feelings, while interesting, are not relevant.

Choking someones neck is lethal force. The guy wasnt a threat so no justification of lethal force. They used lethal force by purposely targeting his neck. That sounds illegal to me even though everyone decided not to pursue the crime. If its ok for someone to use lethal force by choking someone to death for non-violently resisting arrest then why isnt it ok for a cop to shoot a person in the head for non-violent resistance? Because its wrong. As is choking someone.

I suppose you really ought to gather some facts before posting.Or not. Really either way is fine.
 
Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

This thread reveals we've got a bunch of members accustomed to running from the law in all manner of ways. Police are your boogeymen.

Have you actually read the responses in this thread? The decision by the GJ has been criticized by far left wingers, tough on crime right wingers and libertarians. Who has defended it? The same 6-7 people who get accused of being closeted racists. Who else? The same 6-7 posters that will defend cops no matter the circumstance because of the bull**** line that they have a hard job to do.

That you're trying to paint Goshin - a former cop - as someone who is accustomed to running from the law is pretty ****ing laughable if not downright ridiculous. What? Ockham is accustomed to running from the law? Digsbe too? What about notabene? PerfectStorm? Is he accustomed to running from the law? The Rev is accustomed to running from the law too? Μολὼν λαβέ is accustomed to running from the law? You're looking ridiculously silly in your assertion. Get the **** outta here with that bull**** before someone a little less restricted in their words decides to call you on it.
 
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I did see the video. He said several times that he couldn't breath. My point, insignificant though it is, is that he could breath. If he couldn't breath? He couldn't TALK. Try it yourself. You'll find it's impossible...like licking your elbow.

You of course realize I just tried to lick my elbow to see if you're right.

You're right. On both counts.
 
Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

He never once "swatted" or "smacked" the police. The cops grabbed at his arm and he tried to receed his arm. Dont lie. Its illegal to choke a person who doesnt pose a lethal threat to you.
I said "swatted" not smacked. And yes he did. First he stood there and argued with them. He started backing up from them and swatted at them to push them away as they tried to arrest him.
Yes it is illegal in NYC to use the chokehold. The officer was stripped of his badge and gun for that action.
And for your information, the one that filmed the video that has gone viral was Garner's friend, Ramsey Orta.

"The man who recorded a New York City police officer using a chokehold during the arrest of a man who later died in custody was arrested himself late Saturday on a gun charge.

Ramsey Orta, 22, is charged with two counts of criminal possession of a weapon. Police said Orta had a previous weapon conviction that prohibited him from possessing a firearm. He is due in court this month on robbery charges stemming from a May arrest and an assault charge from an arrest July 14, according to court records."

Man who recorded video of NYPD chokehold arrested on gun charge | Fox News

Garner nor his friend that filmed the video are/were law abiding citizens.
 
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Not likely. CPR in a hospital setting, when the patient is already there, and the crash is observed, already has a poor rate of success, and that's with availability of defibrillators, pacers, drugs, iv fluids, and high levels of oxygen. Ini the field, CPR has a VERY poor rate of success, and the longer it is delayed, the worse the prognosis.

At first I was wondering why you were attacking CPR, but then I reread my post and noticed the word easily. Yes, that was poor wording. What I was trying to say was that it could have definitely saved his life. It may not have, but to keep the circulation of blood moving, and possibly provide some oxygen is certainly helpful.
 
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Right, well, those aren't exactly the types of chest compressions I was referring to. lol

I know what you meant. I just think the whole incident could have been avoided. How many times does a guy on the ground being restrained by 4 or more cops have to say he can't breathe before the cop who killed him takes another approach to his restraint technique?
 
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I see. I understand that. But surely there's an exception to that for unhealthy people. And then there's that disallowed chokehold. And the non-responsiveness to his "I can't breathe, I can't breathe, I can't breathe."

Awful. I support policemen. They have a dangerous job and have to make split second decisions. But this seems different to me. I think maybe they should've just left him alone or given him another ticket. He's not selling ciggies at that particular time. He's being respectful.

I don't know. So sad. It didn't have to happen.

Too big to fail. Too fat to be arrested?
 
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If you can't breath, you can't talk. This guy felt he couldn't breath because of chest compression . . . says Coroner MaggieD. ;)

I think he had a heart attack. Often, one of the tell-tale signs of a heart attack is shortness of breath.

I read up on this case a little bit more, and confirmed it. He died of coronary problems, not suffocation.
 
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When the cops tackle and choke an unarmed black man for not paying 5 cent taxes on his cigarette singles, that form of government tyranny is okay for some conservatives.
 
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At first I was wondering why you were attacking CPR, but then I reread my post and noticed the word easily. Yes, that was poor wording. What I was trying to say was that it could have definitely saved his life. It may not have, but to keep the circulation of blood moving, and possibly provide some oxygen is certainly helpful.

Well, even that isn't likely. I rarely see a case brought in to the ER in which cpr was done, and the patient went on to live any semblance of a life at all, and they almost never survive the initial incident. If he had survived, it's very likely that he would have had profound and lasting brain damage. In my entire life as an RN, I've seen one successful case of CPR in the field, that resulted in good mental recovery, but he was a paraplegic after he was kept alive.
 
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When the cops tackle and choke an unarmed black man for not paying 5 cent taxes on his cigarette singles, that form of government tyranny is okay for some conservatives.

Amadeus, they didn't tackle and choke him because he wasn't paying a tax. They took him to the ground because he resisted arrest.

People!!! Tell your damned kids, family and friends to fight the coppers in the courtroom not on the street. We've lost hundreds of thousands of men in battlefields to give you that right. Jesus!!
 
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I did see the video. He said several times that he couldn't breath. My point, insignificant though it is, is that he could breath. If he couldn't breath? He couldn't TALK. Try it yourself. You'll find it's impossible...like licking your elbow.

(Do not) try this; have someone place you in a choke hold and see if you can breathe. I'll bet you get out a few "I can't breathe" statements before passing out, or maybe dying.

The point is he can't breathe now, can he? Who made that happen?
 
Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

Have you actually read the responses in this thread? The decision by the GJ has been criticized by far left wingers, tough on crime right wingers and libertarians. Who has defended it? The same 6-7 people who get accused of being closeted racists. Who else? The same 6-7 posters that will defend cops no matter the circumstance because of the bull**** line that they have a hard job to do.

That you're trying to paint Goshin - a former cop - as someone who is accustomed to running from the law is pretty ****ing laughable if not downright ridiculous. What? Ockham is accustomed to running from the law? Digsbe too? What about notabene? PerfectStorm? Is he accustomed to running from the law? The Rev is accustomed to running from the law too? Μολὼν λαβέ is accustomed to running from the law? You're looking ridiculously silly in your assertion. Get the **** outta here with that bull**** before someone a little less restricted in their words decides to call you on it.


The same posters who defended the welfare queen Cliven Bundy and all the militia whackjobs at his ranch aiming rifles into crowds of law enforcement officials...go figure.
 
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I'm waiting to read the testimonies before I make any judgement on this.
 
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1064051568 said:
then you didn't read the coroner's report.
The New York Medical Examiner has ruled Garner's death a homicide. The cause of death was "compression of neck (chokehold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police."​
I see three things mentioned.
The cause of death was:
1) compression of neck (chokehold),
2) compression of chest
3) and prone positioning during physical restraint by police."
One-third chokehold. Two thirds absolute fatass. Hmmm. What to think. A very fat man resists arrest and dies of a heart attack while being arrested. Oh, and the most important thing to consider was the color of all of their skins.
 
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you must not realize how much damage a few seconds of cutting off the jugular vein can be.... Its very relevant.

If it is all the same with you I am done with you until you bring some relevant facts.
 
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1064051698 said:
(Do not) try this; have someone place you in a choke hold and see if you can breathe. I'll bet you get out a few "I can't breathe" statements before passing out, or maybe dying.

The point is he can't breathe now, can he? Who made that happen?

His heart attack.
 
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