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No Indictment in Chokehold Death [W:1903,2680]

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I'd want a jury to review this incident - there certainly was enough there for an indictment since there was actual video of the event taking place. I don't get it....

It is curious, to say the least.
 
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Yet the choking contributed to his death.

As did all of the other factors listed in the coroner's report. Absent those other factors then the brief use of force would not have been fatal.
 
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I'm not sure that's true. I think the police may just be advised against using it.

I have heard from news sources that it is true. Check it out.
 
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As did all of the other factors listed in the coroner's report. Absent those other factors then the brief use of force would not have been fatal.

If then, the choke hold was a contributing factor, that on it's own is enough to indict and let a jury see the evidence and make a ruling. I would go as far as to say the police abused their power, used a banned choke hold which contributed to the death of a suspect, failed to initiate CPR on said suspect after he stopped breathing. Even with the guys weight, prior health history, etc... still enough to at least indict given there was full video of the entire arrest available. Did the coroner call it a homicide?

So what's not enough to indict?
 
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I do not like this. I think there is too much clear evidence that this should not really have happened for it to be thrown out.
 
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I have heard from news sources that it is true. Check it out.

From 11/11/2014 ...

Queens Democratic City Councilman Rory Lancman plans to introduce a package of bills on Thursday, that aims to criminalize the use of chokeholds by NYPD officers and provide guidelines on how the tactic can only be used.

In an interview with the AmNews on Tuesday, the freshman lawmaker said one measure will ban chokehold altogether. Although the take-down maneuver is prohibited by NYPD departmental policy, officers still use it. There's no law that makes it illegal.

“The bill would make it clear that chokehold will only be used depending on the situation the officers are in,” the lawmaker said.


...

City Council bill to make chokehold illegal | New York Amsterdam News: The new Black view
 
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I don't know what disturbs me more -- the fact that the cop skates without even being charged, or the sickening implication by several here that Garner basically deserved to die for his token "resistance."

It's also odd that some of the same people eager to defend the officer are the same ones who complain incessantly about the heavy hand of government turning the U.S. into a police state.
 
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I think the grand jury in Missouri got it right. I think the grand jury in New York got it wrong. The perp died because he couldn't breathe. The coroner said he suffocated. That goes beyond making an arrest and dealing with resistance. The police applied too much force for the situation. It wasn't murder but it was certainly wrong. Unlike the Ferguson event, the perp in New York didn't attack a policeman. But, of course, I wasn't a member of either grand jury so my comments are pure opinion.
 
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As did all of the other factors listed in the coroner's report. Absent those other factors then the brief use of force would not have been fatal.

Your opinion of the events do not correspond with the video. It's enough for an indictment.
 
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I don't know what disturbs me more -- the fact that the cop skates without even being charged, or the sickening implication by several here that Garner basically deserved to die for his token "resistance."

It's also odd that some of the same people eager to defend the officer are the same ones who complain incessantly about the heavy hand of government turning the U.S. into a police state.

I don't believe that anyone is saying that he deserved to die. What I'm seeing is that a lot of people think his death was an unfortunate accident which probably would have been avoidable if he'd simply complied with the lawful request of the police officers.
 
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I don't believe that anyone is saying that he deserved to die. What I'm seeing is that a lot of people think his death was an unfortunate accident which probably would have been avoidable if he'd simply complied with the lawful request of the police officers.

I agree - it was an accident. I don't see the police trying to kill this guy purposefully - and that is why there are laws such as negligent homicide and various levels of manslaughter on the books for just such an event. I'm not looking to nail this cop - only give him his day in court and let a jury decide if he just did his job or if he did his job badly and aiding in the death of a suspect. Reasonable no?
 
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The arrest is consistent with the "Broken Windows" theory of law enforcement. The basic idea is that if you take care of the small things then the big things will be less likely to happen.

Then thre are things so little they are barely worth worrying about, much much less snuffing out a life over.
 
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Your opinion of the events do not correspond with the video. It's enough for an indictment.

Just a guess, but perhaps the GJ had more to consider than just that video. ;)
 
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Just a guess, but perhaps the GJ had more to consider than just that video. ;)

Even if everything else they considered was in the cops favor, the video by itself is enough to indict.
 
Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

The, "choke hold", didn't kill him.

who said it did?
 
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I agree - it was an accident. I don't see the police trying to kill this guy purposefully - and that is why there are laws such as negligent homicide and various levels of manslaughter on the books for just such an event. I'm not looking to nail this cop - only give him his day in court and let a jury decide if he just did his job or if he did his job badly and aiding in the death of a suspect. Reasonable no?

I really don't think that there needs to be a trial for everything that happens. The cops weren't even particularly rough with Garner. It's a tough break but there is just nothing there to claim inappropriate behavior by the cops.
 
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I really don't think that there needs to be a trial for everything that happens. The cops weren't even particularly rough with Garner. It's a tough break but there is just nothing there to claim inappropriate behavior by the cops.

I totally disagree. I find the banned choke hold inappropriate. If find their use of force inappropriate in those circumstances. I find their lack of concern and lack of aid after they figured out he had no pulse inappropriate.
 
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....and a comment for New York lawmakers. If it is wildly profitable to go to North Carolina to buy cigarettes and then sell them on the street illegally then something is wrong with the tax law. The purpose, one would assume, is to discourage smoking. The outrageous tax won't discourage smoking. Smoking is a powerful addiction. It will only encourage the black market. Common sense should prevail.
 
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....and a comment for New York lawmakers. If it is wildly profitable to go to North Carolina to buy cigarettes and then sell them on the street illegally then something is wrong with the tax law. The purpose, one would assume, is to discourage smoking. The outrageous tax won't discourage smoking. Smoking is a powerful addiction. It will only encourage the black market. Common sense should prevail.

The war on logic, I mean drugs, continues. ;)
 
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Then thre are things so little they are barely worth worrying about, much much less snuffing out a life over.

My understanding is that this guy had an extensive record of petty crime. That doesn't make him some kind of kingpin but it does make him a troublemaker.
 
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