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No Indictment in Chokehold Death [W:1903,2680]

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Fenton said:
Who knows and thats not the issue here anyway.

The issue was he was put under arrest, resisted and lost his life.
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Yes we do know ! He didn't charge the cops, he didn't say he was gonna kill them, he didn't wave a gun, all evidence shows he wasn't a threat. His death was ruled a homicide and if I'm not mistaken the report read that being choked was part of the cause. It's obvious it was part of the cause but of course people will still believe what they want!
 
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Lutherf said:
I understand how this might be troubling to some people but the cop was effecting an arrest and using reasonable and necessary force to do so. It sucks that the guy died but I just don't see where malice or excessive force was used by the cops. This, unfortunately, falls into the same category as the person who gets hit by a car while crossing the street in the middle of the block at 3:00 in the morning wearing a black jacket.
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Absolute bull you know what!
 
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Texmex said:
Keep backing these killers. You're just like Fenton.

These types of police actions need to be dealt with. Perhaps with enough media attention, and with help of the White House and Congress, something can finally be done about this travesty.
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LOL, this officer wasn't a killer. The other guy was a fatass who was on the verge of a heart attack any day.
 
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Tettsuo said:
If it were not for the choke hold, and subsequent take down, he wouldn't have experienced a heart attack. I push you, caused you to fall and strike your head on the edge of a curb. The blow caused you to have a bleed in the brain, killing you hours later. Can I really say I didn't kill you?
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So the officer gave this guy massively blocked arteries and 200 pounds of extra blubber with a choke hold?
 
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Fenton said:
Hyperbole is a bit pointless, dont you think ?
The Police Officer never intended to " Murder " anyone. He tried to arrest a Man that was resisting arrest.

The autopsy showed No damage to the Mans windpipe.
The man was obviously overweight and unhealthy.
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Erod said:
LOL, this officer wasn't a killer. The other guy was a fatass who was on the verge of a heart attack any day.
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Erod said:
So the officer gave this guy massively blocked arteries and 200 pounds of extra blubber with a choke hold?
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Eric Garner chokehold death: NYC officer will not be indicted, lawyer says | masslive.com

"...The Medical Examiner ruled Garner's death a Homicide and found that a Chokehold contributed to it.

A forensic pathologist hired by Garner's family, Dr. Michael Baden, agreed with those findings, saying there was Hemorrhaging on Garner's Neck indicative of Neck Compressions.".."​


You'd think you could at least get an indictment, if not a conviction, on a "Homicide" that was at least "contributed to" by a Barred "Chokehold."

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Also heard/characterized on CNN:: He was heard saying 'he couldn't breathe' ELEVEN times.
 
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Erod said:
LOL, this officer wasn't a killer. The other guy was a fatass who was on the verge of a heart attack any day.
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If the officer wasn't a killer, he is now.

But you keep sucking up to them.

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Erod said:
LOL, this officer wasn't a killer. The other guy was a fatass who was on the verge of a heart attack any day.
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Just more Erod BS! Being fat doesn't allow the police to attack and kill you.
 
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I tend to lean conservative/republican and this one has me. Not sure why he isn't, at least going, to trial.
 
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mbig said:
Eric Garner chokehold death: NYC officer will not be indicted, lawyer says | masslive.com

"...The Medical Examiner ruled Garner's death a Homicide and found that a Chokehold contributed to it.

A forensic pathologist hired by Garner's family, Dr. Michael Baden, agreed with those findings, saying there was Hemorrhaging on Garner's Neck indicative of Neck Compressions.".."​


You'd think you could at least get an indictment, if not a conviction, on a "Homicide" that was at least "contributed to" by a Barred "Chokehold."
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I just saw this part.

Can anyone please explain to me how the GJ came to their conclusion after two examiners agreed that this was a homicide?

Keep in mind that this is to get it to go to a trial.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Justice was served. He got what he was asking for.
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Hows that taste ?
 
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Erod said:
LOL, this officer wasn't a killer. The other guy was a fatass who was on the verge of a heart attack any day.
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:lol: This guy killed a person but isn't a killer? Whatever kind of logic that is... I want some!
 
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Erod said:
So the officer gave this guy massively blocked arteries and 200 pounds of extra blubber with a choke hold?
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Sure... and when the cop choke holds and kills a a 94 year old man resisting arrest you will say that he was near death anyway... what will your excuse be when the cop kills a child?
 
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Bodhisattva said:
:lol: This guy killed a person but isn't a killer? Whatever kind of logic that is... I want some!
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A killer generally is someone who tries to kill people. I'm sorry that's so difficult.

By your "logic", if a patron chokes on a hamburger, the chef is a killer.
 
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Texmex said:
Just more Erod BS! Being fat doesn't allow the police to attack and kill you.
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Notice to all over weight people... justification for all cops who kill is now official. Cop kills fat person? Doesn't matter because you are fat. Cop gets off...
 
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avery45 said:
I tend to lean conservative/republican and this one has me. Not sure why he isn't, at least going, to trial.
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This shouldn't have to be a conservative vs democrat thing. This is a civil rights thing. If police can't get indicted on this, then the Grand Jury proceedings is just a gimmick.

What is the point of doing it if it involves cops?
 
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This thread reveals we've got a bunch of members accustomed to running from the law in all manner of ways. Police are your boogeymen.
 
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Erod said:
A killer generally is someone who tries to kill people. I'm sorry that's so difficult.
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Let me help you out:
1 kill·er noun \ˈki-lər\
: a person or thing that kills someone or something
: something that is very difficult

Full Definition of KILLER
1: one that kills
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By your "logic", if a patron chokes on a hamburger, the chef is a killer.
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I am understanding your inability to follow logic much better now. Thank you because that is as ridiculous as saying that the guy that built the car that ran over a person killed that person.
 
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digsbe said:
Just watching the video there should have been charges. This appears to not have been done in self defense and after he said "I can't breathe" they continued. I don't know the full story, but given what I see this was excessive force by the police resulting in death even after the suspect told them he couldn't breathe.

It's completely unacceptable and if this is a legal use of force the laws need to be changed. Police are given FAR too much power when they are legally allowed to kill you in the process of apprehension and not acting in self defense.

It looks like his intent wasn't to kill nor is this typically lethal, but with his asthma, obesity and other factors it resulted in death and they should have reacted when he said he couldn't breathe.
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Fenton said:
The Police Officers did not intend to kill anyone.

He tried to take him into custody and the Man was resisting arrest.
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Ikari said:
That's why we have Manslaughter charges. And manslaughter it is.
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herenow1 said:
When Fox News says the cops used excessive force, that says a lot !
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Frankly, I'm appalled that the cops weren't indicted on this one. The video is clear and oh so different than Ferguson - as far as I know, there should have been an indictment on some version of manslaughter charge and gone to trial. This guy had his hands up and there was no reason to use that much force on the guy and as Goshin already pointed out, NYPD policy states no chokeholds. That they didn't help this guy after he stopped breathing makes it worse. Were these specific cops really doing the job to protect and serve or were they trying to legally assault a black man and oops, ended up killing him and not trying to save his life. The NY community at large should be worried about this one - white, black, yellow.... any color skin.
 
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rcart76 said:
This shouldn't have to be a conservative vs democrat thing. This is a civil rights thing. If police can't get indicted on this, then the Grand Jury proceedings is just a gimmick.

What is the point of doing it if it involves cops?
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It seems every issue comes down to two sides, the dem or repub. But there is the third of, the truth. Which doesn't bring in the political donations.
 
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avery45 said:
It seems every issue comes down to two sides, the dem or repub. But there is the third of, the truth. Which doesn't bring in the political donations.
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It's not a civil rights thing. It's not a dem vs. repub thing. Each incident must stand or fall on it's own merits. Ferguson and Brown is not the same as NY and Garner. IMO they got Ferguson right and they got NY oh so wrong. Everyone in NY should be frightened of the NYPD not getting indicted for Garner's death.
 
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Ockham said:
It's not a civil rights thing. It's not a dem vs. repub thing. Each incident must stand or fall on it's own merits. Ferguson and Brown is not the same as NY and Garner. IMO they got Ferguson right and they got NY oh so wrong. Everyone in NY should be frightened of the NYPD not getting indicted for Garner's death.
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Seriously? Indict the entire NYPD? What would bail be for ~34,000 NYPD officers?
 
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For those of you who don't live in NY...
NYC has 5 boroughs.
The smallest and Whitest is Staten Island/Richmond County where THIS case was presented.

Many cops live on Staten Island, whose overall population is heavily Italian/Irish. The same (Italian?) as the 'Choking' cop and the Same makeup of our mostly courageous Police and Fire Depts:

Demographics of Staten Island - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"...Whites are the racial majority in Staten Island. Of the borough's 491,000 people, over 382,000 are white, which is over three-quarters (75.7%) of the population. Over 323,000 non-Hispanic whites reside in the borough, and they make up 65.8% of the population. The Caucasian population is largely Italian and Irish. Sizable communities of Germans, Russians, Albanians and Poles are present. There are over 175,000 Italian Americans living in Staten Island, and they make up over one-third (35.7%) of the population. Roughly 65,000 Irish Americans live in the borough, and they make up over one-eighth (13.2%) of the population. People of German, Russian, and Polish descent make up 5.7, 3.8, and 3.4% of the population, respectively.

Compared to other New York City boroughs, Blacks are a relatively Small percentage of Staten Island's residents."..."​

I don't know the Grand Jury Make-up, but a non-indictment in THIS borough is NOT a surprise.
A conviction IMO would be near Impossible, even if an indictment happened.
Then again, this is happening Nationally.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Seriously? Indict the entire NYPD? What would bail be for ~34,000 NYPD officers?
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That's not what I meant - obviously only a few NY cops were part of this and would be indicted.
 
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