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No Indictment in Chokehold Death [W:1903,2680]

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Cops are regularly taken to task for their crimes. Just google "police officer arrested" and help yourself to tons of stories.

Such as in this case

Cop accused of stealing $1,300 during search | New York Post

Where a cop just stole a bunch of money from a dude. And weren't there a bunch of cops in, was it texas, stopping people coming from a Casino and taking money? Some of these high profile cases will garner attention and investigation; but for things like the story I linked, it only became investigated because other people had video tapped the Cop's actions. So how much is going on behind the scenes? How much are cops really stealing and assaulting and killing and otherwise abusing their power and position wherein no discipline is ever brought?

A cop who commits crimes should be treated absolutely no differently than any other common individual suspected of committing a crime; but they aren't. We give all sorts of excuses and reasons as to why justice shouldn't be blind; but it really should. I suppose we can hope that the reporting of these various cases increases so that the public can be made aware and that perhaps we get some actual regulation and control in our armed, neigh military forces.
 
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Can you articulate the reasonable suspicion that the cops had that eric garner had committed a crime?

Nope, was not there. But you think cops just waltz up to someone and choke them out for kicks?
 
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then let's get back to the scenario addressed before
this fellow has a history of 31 incidents of the same scofflaw crime
at what point would the police have legitimate basis to place him under arrest
He was black, so none.
 
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I predict riots, because nothing says you care more about social injustice than breaking into a store to loot cheap wine.
 
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Yeah, when I saw the video of this occurring I could see myself in that man's shoes. Not the selling of untaxed cigs, but I could see myself being mandhandled by cops and it pissing me off.

Breaking the law and resisting arrest rarely ends in hugs and kisses.

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Murder apologist.


What are Police Officers supposed to do when someone resist arrest ?

Let them go ?

Not take them into custody because the guy just doesn't feel like being hamd cuffed today ?

Should Criminals be allowed to say " F-you Cop, you're not taking me in " because the Police are too scared of doing their jobs ?

My best friend from High School is a police officer and told me that at least 50 percent of the people he cuffs suddenly develope acute respiratory failure.

They " can't breath ". So what's he supposed to do ? Believe someone who'll say just about anything to NOT go to jail ?
 
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Reviewing the video I don't think he should have been arrested. Don't like #99 pushing his head into concrete. I'd want to read the coroner's report before deciding this.

Of-course he should have been arrested, he broke the law.
 
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What are Police Officers supposed to do when someone resist arrest ?

Let them go ?

Maybe not kill them, I don't know; that seems kind of reasonable.
 
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Such as in this case

Cop accused of stealing $1,300 during search | New York Post

Where a cop just stole a bunch of money from a dude. And weren't there a bunch of cops in, was it texas, stopping people coming from a Casino and taking money? Some of these high profile cases will garner attention and investigation; but for things like the story I linked, it only became investigated because other people had video tapped the Cop's actions. So how much is going on behind the scenes? How much are cops really stealing and assaulting and killing and otherwise abusing their power and position wherein no discipline is ever brought?

A cop who commits crimes should be treated absolutely no differently than any other common individual suspected of committing a crime; but they aren't. We give all sorts of excuses and reasons as to why justice shouldn't be blind; but it really should. I suppose we can hope that the reporting of these various cases increases so that the public can be made aware and that perhaps we get some actual regulation and control in our armed, neigh military forces.

Is there a point here besides further highlighting your kneejerk hatred of all things police? Of course charges against police require evidence, you have a problem with that now? And a cop convicted of a crime does indeed face far more severe penalties. Being a cop in jail.
 
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What are Police Officers supposed to do when someone resist arrest ?

Let them go ?

Not take them into custody because the guy just doesn't feel like being hamd cuffed today ?

Should Criminals be allowed to say " F-you Cop, you're not taking me in " because the Police are too scared of doing their jobs ?

My best friend from High School is a police officer and told me that at least 50 percent of the people he cuffs suddenly develope acute respiratory failure.

They " can't breath ". So what's he supposed to do ? Believe someone who'll say just about anything to NOT go to jail ?

How about "not ****ing murder them."
 
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Maybe not kill them, I don't know; that seems kind of reasonable.



The Police Officers did not intend to kill anyone.

He tried to take him into custody and the Man was resisting arrest.
 
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Just watching the video there should have been charges. This appears to not have been done in self defense and after he said "I can't breathe" they continued. I don't know the full story, but given what I see this was excessive force by the police resulting in death even after the suspect told them he couldn't breathe.

It's completely unacceptable and if this is a legal use of force the laws need to be changed. Police are given FAR too much power when they are legally allowed to kill you in the process of apprehension and not acting in self defense.

It looks like his intent wasn't to kill nor is this typically lethal, but with his asthma, obesity and other factors it resulted in death and they should have reacted when he said he couldn't breathe.



It is extremely common for large fat men past 40 to die from either being dogpiled or put in any sort of choke hold.


I'm a little disappointed there were no charges, given that choke holds are against NYPD policy.
 
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The Police Officers did not intend to kill anyone.

He tried to take him into custody and the Man was resisting arrest.

Chokeholds stop people from breathing. People need to breathe to live. Are you saying the cop was too dumb to figure this out? He was too dumb to know the chokehold was illegal"?
 
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Is there a point here besides further highlighting your kneejerk hatred of all things police? Of course charges against police require evidence, you have a problem with that now? And a cop convicted of a crime does indeed face far more severe penalties. Being a cop in jail.

The point is, as indicated by the aggregate statistics, we have some issues with the functionality of the police and trying to restrict them to their proper rolls. People want to say that the cops are punished, but they aren't. Barring high profile cases, most things are swept under the rug until the public gets wind of it and gets pissed off.

Government needs to be restricted to its proper roles and the freedom and liberties of the individual protected. That is how you maintain a Republic. If you read the posts I was responding to, you may have gotten a bit of context as to why these arguments were presented. But that would require a bit of intellectual integrity and honesty on your part.
 
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The Police Officers did not intend to kill anyone.

He tried to take him into custody and the Man was resisting arrest.

Lots of people don't intend to kill people and do. It's called manslaughter. We have a crime for that.
 
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Another question:

If you were literally being choked to death, would you calm down?

People who are literally being killed have a tendency to fight back, which is apparently justification for killing them. Neat situation.
 
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The point is, as indicated by the aggregate statistics, we have some issues with the functionality of the police and trying to restrict them to their proper rolls. People want to say that the cops are punished, but they aren't. Barring high profile cases, most things are swept under the rug until the public gets wind of it and gets pissed off.

Government needs to be restricted to its proper roles and the freedom and liberties of the individual protected. That is how you maintain a Republic. If you read the posts I was responding to, you may have gotten a bit of context as to why these arguments were presented. But that would require a bit of intellectual integrity and honesty on your part.

You're back to the same old thinking, that cops are federal and part of a federal system. Neither is the case. AND since police are local, their arrest and prosecution, covered locally, doesn't make the national press like the signature cases do. You'd be well served to take your own advice on that last to heart.
 
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How about "not ****ing murder them."


Hyperbole is a bit pointless, dont you think ?

The Police Officer never intended to " Murder " anyone. He tried to arrest a Man that was resisting arrest.

The autopsy showed no damage to the Mans windpipe.

The man was obviously overweight and unhealthy.

How does your average Police Officer determine whether or not a resisting suspect is healthy enough to survive the process of being forcibly detained ?

A process that is used in the first place because the suspect refuses to comply with the Officers orders ?

They cant run a full battery of test on someone while they're in the middle of trying to put handcuffs on them.

So your'e saying the Man should have been let go? Not arrested because he had asthma ?

Allowed to break free and dictate the terms of his arrest ?
 
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While I will hold off on any judgement as far as if police should be charged here until more info is out but one thing I see a lot of in this thread that is wrong at least as it was told to me. A number of posters keep saying the police used a choke hold to subdue this man. A choke hold is a very specific thing that is spelled out by New York city and the police are told exactly what they can do and what they cant. By the definition that NYC uses for a choke hold that is not what the police in this instance did. They applied a headlock which is a different hold. It is my guess that because it is shown that the police used a headlock and not a choke hold that is why they were not charged.
 
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Another question:

If you were literally being choked to death, would you calm down?

People who are literally being killed have a tendency to fight back, which is apparently justification for killing them. Neat situation.



He wasn't " choked to death ".

The autopsy found no damage that would indicate that this " hold " had beeen used to choke him out.
 
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You're back to the same old thinking, that cops are federal and part of a federal system. Neither is the case. AND since police are local, their arrest and prosecution, covered locally, doesn't make the national press like the signature cases do. You'd be well served to take your own advice on that last to heart.

Cops are government and part of the government system. It's The People vs. The Government; always has been.
 
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Hyperbole is a bit pointless, dont you think ?

The Police Officer never intended to " Murder " anyone.

That's why we have Manslaughter charges. And manslaughter it is.
 
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Lots of people don't intend to kill people and do. It's called manslaughter. We have a crime for that.


Wrong, the legal definition of " Manslaughter " is the unjustified purposeful killing of someone WITHOUT PREMEDITATION.

The Cop didn't intend to kill this individual. He DID intend to try and take this individual into custody.
 
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Wrong, the legal definition of " Manslaughter " is the unjustified purposeful killing of someone WITHOUT PREMEDITATION.

The Cop didn't intend to kill this individual. He DID intend to try and take this individual into custody.

Exactly, without premeditation. They didn't go out saying "I'm going to kill someone", but they did act recklessly in trying to apprehend this dude and killed him in the process.

Manslaughter.
 
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