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No Indictment in Chokehold Death [W:1903,2680]

Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

Communist De'Blasio is cutting short his busy schedule apparently.

There was no damage to the Mans windpipe so apparently it wasn't the ' choke hold " that killed the guy ( it wasn't a choke hold )

The GJ didn't even indict these officers on lesser charges.

It tells me they had allot more information than what's available on You Tube.
 
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I prefer the rule of of law. probable cause, reasonable suspicion, detainment, contact, arrest and all that.

31 prior convictions for the same offense would factor into "probable cause."

However, whether the arrest was valid or not isn't really the question of whether the officer committed manslaughter/murder, is it?
 
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So wait, if I'm arrested in the past, that means the cops can at anytime attack me? I disagree.

Is that what I posted? Must have had my eyes closed. No, but when you're caught in the same area selling illegal merchandise 31 times in the past the police are more than justified to check into your activities when they see you in that same area again.
 
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31 prior convictions for the same offense would factor into "probable cause."


Incorrect, They would need probable cause based on the incident at hand to do a search of a vehicle or a persons, barring some exceptions to the warrant requirement.
 
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Or possibly dead if you have heart issues.

Many things will cause death if a person has a heart issue. A tazer. Chasing the person. Wrestling the person to the ground. Just the stress of arresting someone could do it. The list of what can cause a person to die if the person has a heart condition is nearly endless.

The coroner did rule it was a "homicide" - which doesn't make that a fact but certainly is relevant. I haven't read the coroner's report, though. Have you? What did the coroner say caused the death?
 
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There is no need for a choke hold. The cop needs to be charged and the GJ should admit it to Trial.

Did you see the size of that guy? That said, if tasers were allowed in departments nationwide I'd be all for each officer having a taser as part of their equipment and training at the academy. He'd probably still be dead.
 
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Incorrect, They would need probable cause based on the incident at hand to do a search of a vehicle or a persons, barring some exceptions to the warrant requirement.

If I'm not mistaken, I've read someone called in claiming he was selling cigarettes.

And I am exactly correct. Prior convictions does "factor into probably cause." Of itself, no. But definitely a factor in the decision.
 
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Many things will cause death if a person has a heart issue. A tazer. Chasing the person. Wrestling the person to the ground. Just the stress of arresting someone could do it. The list of what can cause a person to die if the person has a heart condition is nearly endless.

The coroner did rule it was a "homicide" - which doesn't make that a fact but certainly is relevant. I haven't read the coroner's report, though. Have you? What did the coroner say caused the death?



One should not be illegally searched and wrestled to the ground due to former convictions on tax evasion.
 
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If I'm not mistaken, I've read someone called in claiming he was selling cigarettes.

And I am exactly correct. Prior convictions does "factor into probably cause." Of itself, no. But definitely a factor in the decision.


Death of Eric Garner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


I see he was breaking up a fight, no where does it say they found cigarettes or was selling them,
 
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This is ****ing unreal. It was an prohibited choke hold and the coroner called it a homicide, how does that not generate at the very least a manslaughter charge?

Since when do we hold cops accountable for their crimes?
 
Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

Justice was served. He got what he was asking for.

Murder apologist.
 
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The arrest is consistent with the "Broken Windows" theory of law enforcement. The basic idea is that if you take care of the small things then the big things will be less likely to happen.

Yea but you don't kill the squeegee men near the Lincoln Tunnel. You use some common sense. I have a friend who a NYC cop for 20 years. He was assigned to remove the homeless as part of stopping the small things. So he offered the guy a happy meal if he came with him to the station. He got OT and easy duty while the homeless guy got a meal and a place to sleep. A win, win. I'm sure there was a better way to handle the situation.
 
Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

Reviewing the video I don't think he should have been arrested. Don't like #99 pushing his head into concrete. I'd want to read the coroner's report before deciding this.
 
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Since when do we hold cops accountable for their crimes?

Cops are regularly taken to task for their crimes. Just google "police officer arrested" and help yourself to tons of stories.
 
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Yea but you don't kill the squeegee men near the Lincoln Tunnel. You use some common sense. I have a friend who a NYC cop for 20 years. He was assigned to remove the homeless as part of stopping the small things. So he offered the guy a happy meal if he came with him to the station. He got OT and easy duty while the homeless guy got a meal and a place to sleep. A win, win. I'm sure there was a better way to handle the situation.

Sure. Cooperation is certainly the best way to get things done but that requires both parties to cooperate. When one party resists then you have to go to plan B.
 
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One should not be illegally searched and wrestled to the ground due to former convictions on tax evasion.

Well perhaps not, but not the case here. He wasn't ever charged that we know of for tax evasion. He was selling illegal merchandise. Big difference.
 
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I appreciate what you're saying, but it still bothers me. This isn't a man that was physically hurting or threatening anyone, from what I can tell - he was basically committing a crime against the tax collectors. This isn't a man who was abusing or threatening the life of a police officer - the only time the officers would be threatened or subjected to bodily harm is when they enforced an arrest. As I mentioned earlier, why isn't this just the issuance of a summons and not an arrest? That's a big issue for me.

then let's get back to the scenario addressed before
this fellow has a history of 31 incidents of the same scofflaw crime
at what point would the police have legitimate basis to place him under arrest
 
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Can you articulate the reasonable suspicion that the cops had that eric garner had committed a crime?

Once again, whether there was basis for an arrest and whether the officer committed manslaughter/murder are entirely different issues. I saw no basis for any arrest - nor do I like how the arrest started (grabbing at him) and many other aspects of the arrest. That does not make the officer a murderer. That is a separate question.
 
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Can you articulate the reasonable suspicion that the cops had that eric garner had committed a crime?

Yes, he had been arrested 31 times preciously for selling illegal cigs. He was first approached by an undercover officer looking to make it 32 when Garner decided he'd had enough of the police.
 
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Characterizing him that way is a lie. There is no dispute he smashed the officer in the face. Are you claiming he "gently" slugged the officer in the face? That he was "gentle" in the store?

Of course not, however, that was/is still the way he is characterized by the pro riot crowd and press.
 
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