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No Indictment in Chokehold Death [W:1903,2680]

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I appreciate what you're saying, but it still bothers me. This isn't a man that was physically hurting or threatening anyone, from what I can tell - he was basically committing a crime against the tax collectors. This isn't a man who was abusing or threatening the life of a police officer - the only time the officers would be threatened or subjected to bodily harm is when they enforced an arrest. As I mentioned earlier, why isn't this just the issuance of a summons and not an arrest? That's a big issue for me.

When he continued to resist arrest he became a threat.

The cops primary focus in these situations is control. If the suspect appears to be on the verge of becoming uncontrollable then the cop is going to do something to regain that control. Ideally that escalation will be a stepped response and only enough force to regain control will be utilized. In my experience that's exactly what you saw in the video.
 
Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

30 black men are killed by PD per 1,000,000.

1 white man is killed by PD per 1,000,000.

Micheal Brown's death is not an anomaly.
 
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Seems as though grand juries are allergic to indicting cops

That would mean that the U.S. general populace is allergic to indicting cops, a claim I would look at with a jaundiced eye.
 
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No, his resisting arrest did that. Had the police been equipped with tasers he probably still would have died and then you'd be howling about police use of tasers.

I forget cops do no wrong. Even when a video shows the police officer using a banned chokehold on someone resulting in his death. Your excuse, "ahh he was fat he was gonna die no matter what". Typical.
 
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Sunny Hostin, a black woman prosecutor who's commenting on CNN now on this issue, just made an interesting comment.

She said she's been on the side of the push for cops to be outfitted with cameras so that when incidents happen there can be video of the events that courts and grand juries can see what happened and now we have this incident, fully videoed by a bystander, and it seems to have been irrelevant to the outcome of the grand jury.
 
Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

Sunny Hostin, a black woman prosecutor who's commenting on CNN now on this issue, just made an interesting comment.

She said she's been on the side of the push for cops to be outfitted with cameras so that when incidents happen there can be video of the events that courts and grand juries can see what happened and now we have this incident, fully videoed by a bystander, and it seems to have been irrelevant to the outcome of the grand jury.

That's because video evidence, like all other kinds of evidence, is subject to interpretation.

Body cameras ARE NOT going to be some kind of panacea.
 
Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

My thoughts with Garner's family. Not only was he tragically taken from them but there is no justice for them either.
 
Re: NYPD officer in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted by Staten Island grand j

Expected. Sad, but expected.
 
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I forget cops do no wrong. Even when a video shows the police officer using a banned chokehold on someone resulting in his death. Your excuse, "ahh he was fat he was gonna die no matter what". Typical.

Deliberate mischaracterization of events and what I posted or do you really think that way, omitting facts in evidence?

There are a few things I would change generally about standard police procedure in most departments. The knee on the head and neck followed by "stop resisting" when the arrestee is just squirming in pain. I find that a bridge too far.

But here you have a very, very unhealthy individual with a long history of the exact same crime being rightfully taken into custody and resisting with all his bulk.
 
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As with Michael Brown, this man is another "gentle giant".

Why do you bother to post messages that exactly 100% of everyone knows is 100% false and 100% show that your message is absolutely without intellectual integrity.

Exactly NO ONE claims Michael Brown was "a gentle giant.":roll:

Who are you trying to persuade, yourself?
 
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When he continued to resist arrest he became a threat.

Non-compliant, and the only threat there were the cops.

The cops primary focus in these situations is control. If the suspect appears to be on the verge of becoming uncontrollable then the cop is going to do something to regain that control. Ideally that escalation will be a stepped response and only enough force to regain control will be utilized. In my experience that's exactly what you saw in the video.


They knew him, knew where he lived, in the "War against bootleg cigarattes" he was no kingpin.


Unneeded enforcement resulted in this mans death by the guy with the sucky choke hold.
 
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That's because video evidence, like all other kinds of evidence, is subject to interpretation.

Body cameras ARE NOT going to be some kind of panacea.

I agree - I'd be inclined to think cameras would cause police to act differently, and perhaps not always in a good way. It could cause them not to get involved.
 
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The GJ may have decided that the man's poor health played a significant factor in his death and that it was a direct result of resisting arrest.





N.Y. cop not indicted in chokehold death - CNN.com

It's not hard for me to understand that obese people shouldn't even SLEEP on their stomach. I'd venture that his obesity contributed more than the chokehold to his demise. Chest compression is a physics law.

PS -- If he can talk, he can breath. Probably induced an asthma attack.
 
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Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

Sunny Hostin, a black woman prosecutor who's commenting on CNN now on this issue, just made an interesting comment.

She said she's been on the side of the push for cops to be outfitted with cameras so that when incidents happen there can be video of the events that courts and grand juries can see what happened and now we have this incident, fully videoed by a bystander, and it seems to have been irrelevant to the outcome of the grand jury.


True, however this is one case, in other municipalities its reduced claims of police brutality by 88%+
 
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I appreciate what you're saying, but it still bothers me. This isn't a man that was physically hurting or threatening anyone, from what I can tell - he was basically committing a crime against the tax collectors. This isn't a man who was abusing or threatening the life of a police officer - the only time the officers would be threatened or subjected to bodily harm is when they enforced an arrest. As I mentioned earlier, why isn't this just the issuance of a summons and not an arrest? That's a big issue for me.
Exactly.

When was the last time five officers went in to a fancy office and wrestled the occupant to the ground for the crime of having underpaid his taxes?
 
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It's not hard for me to understand that obese people shouldn't even SLEEP on their stomach. I'd venture that his obesity contributed more than the chokehold to his demise. Chest compression is a physics law.



especially when you are being choked out and a few knees are on your back. ;)
 
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Why do you bother to post messages that exactly 100% of everyone knows is 100% false and 100% show that your message is absolutely without intellectual integrity.

Exactly NO ONE claims Michael Brown was "a gentle giant.":roll:

Who are you trying to persuade, yourself?

Educate yourself - I'm not going to waste my time goggling examples of people who referred to Michael Brown as a gentle giant.
 
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What should the police have done instead? Said, "well, since you don't want to be arrested I guess you can break the law" and walk away?
 
Re: No Indictment in Chokehold Death

Why do you bother to post messages that exactly 100% of everyone knows is 100% false and 100% show that your message is absolutely without intellectual integrity.

Exactly NO ONE claims Michael Brown was "a gentle giant.":roll:

Who are you trying to persuade, yourself?

Michael Brown remembered as a 'gentle giant' : News

and about a thousand other links, do you really want to dispute that's how Brown was/is still characterized?
 
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Deliberate mischaracterization of events and what I posted or do you really think that way, omitting facts in evidence?

There are a few things I would change generally about standard police procedure in most departments. The knee on the head and neck followed by "stop resisting" when the arrestee is just squirming in pain. I find that a bridge too far.

But here you have a very, very unhealthy individual with a long history of the exact same crime being rightfully taken into custody and resisting with all his bulk.




Point of information: 56.9% of all cigarettes sold in NYC are bootleg. the tobacco king he was not.
 
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Non-compliant, and the only threat there were the cops.




They knew him, knew where he lived, in the "War against bootleg cigarattes" he was no kingpin.


Unneeded enforcement resulted in this mans death by the guy with the sucky choke hold.

The arrest is consistent with the "Broken Windows" theory of law enforcement. The basic idea is that if you take care of the small things then the big things will be less likely to happen.
 
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If a person can say "I can't breathe" that means the person is NOT being chocked. It would more likely indicate 1.) a heart problem 2.) a lung problem or 3.) being crushed.

It would NOT indicate being chocked. If a person is chocking the person is unable to speak (obviously).
 
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