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Kennesaw City Council rejects mosque proposal

Grant said:
Here's more news concerning Muslims. How does it compare with Catholics and/or Mormons? Taliban school attack: 145 killed in Pakistan siege - CNN.com Are you aware of what went on in Sydney?
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So religious fanatics attack people who profess the same religion and somehow you can see the same thing happening in America?

Yeah, I'm aware of what went on in Sydney? A felon who had been charged with several criminal actions in the past claimed to be acting as his "faith" demanded. Funny how Australian imams immediately condemned the acts of the criminal - I'm sure I've read multiple posts on this forum claiming the "so-called" moderate Muslims never say anything when one of the jihadis kills people.
The Grand Mufti of Australia joins Muslim community leaders in condemning Sydney siege

Mormons have in the past slaughtered innocents
 
Somerville said:
So religious fanatics attack people who profess the same religion and somehow you can see the same thing happening in America?
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The same Islamist terrorist attacks have happened in the US as happened most everywhere else in the world. You must be aware of Islamic violence, right? Do you also find the same thing coming from Mormons and Catholics?

Yeah, I'm aware of what went on in Sydney? A felon who had been charged with several criminal actions in the past claimed to be acting as his "faith" demanded. Funny how Australian imams immediately condemned the acts of the criminal - I'm sure I've read multiple posts on this forum claiming the "so-called" moderate Muslims never say anything when one of the jihadis kills people.
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As mentioned, these Ammams always show up to condemn AFTER the attacks. They've done nothing BEFORE these ongoing attacks.

Going back to 1857 to find a reference to Mormons?? I only need to go back to yesterday.
 
Grant said:
The same Islamist terrorist attacks have happened in the US as happened most everywhere else in the world. You must be aware of Islamic violence, right? Do you also find the same thing coming from Mormons and Catholics?

As mentioned, these Ammams always show up to condemn AFTER the attacks. They've done nothing BEFORE these ongoing attacks.

Going back to 1857 to find a reference to Mormons?? I only need to go back to yesterday.
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How would you know the "Ammams"(sic) did nothing before the most recent hostage taking? Do you have some inside information concerning the Australian Muslim community that isn't available to the general public?

Not yesterday but earlier this year -- Tens of thousands of Muslims flee Christian militias in Central African Republic
 
Somerville said:
How would you know the "Ammams"(sic) did nothing before the most recent hostage taking? Do you have some inside information concerning the Australian Muslim community that isn't available to the general public?
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If they did do anything it certainly wasn't affective. It appears to be another 'lone wolf' muslim attack just like so many others and, of course, under the orders of the Imams. New Alarm Sounds in U.S. Over
Not yesterday but earlier this year -- Tens of thousands of Muslims flee Christian militias in Central African Republic
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Had you read the article through you'd see that this violence is going both ways in that very backward part of the world. In the Middle East, not quite as backward, Christians are being butchered and, of course, Jews are still the favorite target.

It doesn't make much sense to welcome Muslims, Fascists, Nazis or Racists into any neighborhood. I certainly applaud this one Muslim who is speaking out. http://www.clarionproject.org/understanding-jihad/
 
Grant said:
If they did do anything it certainly wasn't affective. It appears to be another 'lone wolf' muslim attack just like so many others and, of course, under the orders of the Imams. New Alarm Sounds in U.S. Over
Had you read the article through you'd see that this violence is going both ways in that very backward part of the world. In the Middle East, not quite as backward, Christians are being butchered and, of course, Jews are still the favorite target.

It doesn't make much sense to welcome Muslims, Fascists, Nazis or Racists into any neighborhood. I certainly applaud this one Muslim who is speaking out. Understanding Jihad - THE ISLAMIC HOLY WAR
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Really really hate Muslims, don't ya?

"under the orders of the imams"? Says who?

Oh, so when I show you an instance of Christians behaving in bad ways - the excuse is they live "in a very backward part of the world" or the "No True Scotsman" fallacy

In the Middle East, the Israelis are doing a great job of killing Muslims, sometimes Christians too if they live in the Gaza Strip. More than 2100 Palestinians were killed in the most recent conflict, two thirds of the dead were non-combatants. Most of the Israeli dead were soldiers, 66 out of 72 Israeli deaths.

If you liked the film so much and you "applaud this one Muslim for speaking out", perhaps you should listen to his words. "This is not a film about Islam. It is about the threat of radical Islam. Only a small percentage of the world's 1.3 billion Muslims are radical. This film is about them."
 
jamesrage said:
Those are whackos in Pakistan most likely murdering muslims who do not subscribe to their brand of Islam. Pakistan is not in the US.
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Yes, Muslims are murdering Muslims (and Christians and Jews) and yes, Pakistan is not in the US.
 
Grant said:
Yes, Muslims are murdering Muslims (and Christians and Jews) and yes, Pakistan is not in the US.
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So why bring up wackos in other countries murdering innocent people?
 
X Factor said:
There's no problem with Islamic terrorism. Nope. Nothing to see here.
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Is this an argument for overturning the first amendment?
 
Grant said:
Because the same group of wackos want to open another franchise in Kennesaw.
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The same group of wackos? You have evidence that Al Qaeda are the ones trying to get the mosque approved in Kennesaw? You do know that most muslims are not terrorists just like most Catholics and Mormons are not pedophiles, most Baptists do you go holding up signs that says god hates fags at the funerals of soldiers,most black people are not in gangs and so on? Do you honestly think all muslims are terrorists?
 
jamesrage said:
The same group of wackos? You have evidence that Al Qaeda are the ones trying to get the mosque approved in Kennesaw?
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I understand that they are all Muslims and they are broken in many groups, with the commonality being a ridiculous affection for worshiping Mohamed, an infamous child molester..

You do know that most muslims are not terrorists
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Yes, though I also understand that millions, many millions, support it. Most Germans may not have been Nazis either, nor most Chinese Communists or most Italians Fascist but that didn't prevent war and many millions dying because of some backward and unworkable , not to say murderous, ideology. .

just like most Catholics and Mormons are not pedophiles, most Baptists do you go holding up signs that says god hates fags at the funerals of soldiers,most black people are not in gangs and so on? Do you honestly think all muslims are terrorists?
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Discussions of other religions or beliefs will take a separate thread.
 
Grant said:
As mentioned, these Ammams always show up to condemn AFTER the attacks. They've done nothing BEFORE these ongoing attacks.
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What exactly should they have done? Read his mind and stop him?

Why didn't the Pope do something about every single Catholic who has committed murder? Don't pretend like it's never happened.

Going back to 1857 to find a reference to Mormons?? I only need to go back to yesterday.
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Funny that this comes from one of the biggest purveyors of the "Democrats are the party of slavery" lines. History is only good when it can be used as a blunt instrument against your political opponents?
 
rocket88 said:
What exactly should they have done? Read his mind and stop him?
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Remember the fatwahs issues against Salman Rushdie for writing a book and how is life of the Danish cartoonist is still in danger? Why don't the Islamic religious leaders issue those fatwahs against terrorists and terrorism?

Why didn't the Pope do something about every single Catholic who has committed murder? Don't pretend like it's never happened.
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Does it always need explaining that these diversions distract from the topic? If Catholics are spreading terrorism around the world and murdering children by the thousands, then I feel confident the Pope would speak up.

Meanwhile try to focus on the issue at hand.
 
Grant said:
Remember the fatwahs issues against Salman Rushdie for writing a book and how is life of the Danish cartoonist is still in danger? Why don't the Islamic religious leaders issue those fatwahs against terrorists and terrorism?

Does it always need explaining that these diversions distract from the topic? If Catholics are spreading terrorism around the world and murdering children by the thousands, then I feel confident the Pope would speak up.

Meanwhile try to focus on the issue at hand.
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Maybe you should try reading articles that aren't posted on your favourite websites

Fatwa on Terrorism and Suicide Bombings is a 600-page (Urdu version), 512-page (English version) Islamic decree by scholar Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri which demonstrates from the Quran and Sunnah that terrorism and suicide bombings are unjust and evil, and thus un-Islamic. It was published in London as a book.[1] The English edition was published in the UK by Minhaj-ul-Quran Publications. Qadri released the fatwa on 2 March 2010.[2] This fatwa is a direct refutation of the ideology of Al-Qaeda and the Taliban. It is one of the most extensive Islamic anti-terrorism rulings, an "absolute" condemnation of terrorism without "any excuses or pretexts" which goes further than ever and declares that terrorism is kufr under Islamic law.[3] The launch was organised by Minhaj-ul-Quran UK. Qadri said during the launch that "Terrorism is terrorism, violence is violence and it has no place in Islamic teaching and no justification can be provided for it, or any kind of excuses or ifs or buts."

The fatwa received widespread media attention and was positively covered by the international press.
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although even when something you says hasn't happened despite "widespread media attention" one must wonder about the sources you rely upon

For more information, here's another link Muslim Voices Against Extremism and Terrorism - Part I Fatwas & Formal Statements by Muslim Scholars & Organizations

A couple of Americans' grave markers from Arlington

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Yes, I do know that Sgt Singh is not a Muslim. My intent is to show that not all Americans who have died in recent conflicts fit into a specific group
 
Grant said:
Because the same group of wackos want to open another franchise in Kennesaw.
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This is good, now we're getting past your slime and you're really making it clear just how xenophobic you truly are.

It's good progress, no more beating around the bush.
 
Somerville said:
Maybe you should try reading articles that aren't posted on your favourite websites

although even when something you says hasn't happened despite "widespread media attention" one must wonder about the sources you rely upon

For more information, here's another link Muslim Voices Against Extremism and Terrorism - Part I Fatwas & Formal Statements by Muslim Scholars & Organizations
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I'm impressed that one fellow did issue a fatwa but given the number of Imams and the dearth of other fatwas this single seems insufficient and is clearly going unheeded. And while an Imam in London discouraging terrorism is to be welcomed, what about a few from the Islamic dominated countries? Perhaps some of these religious leaders should try just a little bit harder?
A couple of Americans' grave markers from Arlington
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Yes, I do know that Sgt Singh is not a Muslim. My intent is to show that not all Americans who have died in recent conflicts fit into a specific group
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I know of no one who claimed otherwise. However there are a group of people withing the US military who are from a specific group and who do kill their fellow soldiers.

United States v. Hasan K. Akbar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nidal Malik Hasan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

These guys aren't Sikhs either.
 
The whole debate has again been Perverted by the Strawman "Terrorist" of DISHONEST Posts of pro-Muslim PCers.
You gotta love Invoking the First Amendment for people who might very well Take it away if given the chance.

mbig said:
Most Muslims support Sharia Law including it's Barbaric penalties for Adultery, Apostasy, Theft, Homosexuality, and other's like "insulting Islam" or the 'prophet'.
(see Pew et al)
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Deuce said:
Do they really?

What does the Poll Really ask?

If you ask a group of Christians whether they support biblical law, many of them will say yes, of course they do.
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mbig said:
Your Perennial PC LIES about Islam need constant Outing.

Here's "what the polls really ask." Many have the wrong-headed opinion or try and float the PC crap that Muslim support for Sharia and it's barbaric penalties is only a 'Radical' muslim position.
And this Pew study has been [rightly IMO] criticized for leaving out some overwhelmingly pro-on Sharia candidates such as Saudi Arabia and Yemen to mitigate the even wider of support for it, while including Inconsequential Tiny states like Bosnia, Kosovo, etc.

Chapter 1: Beliefs About Sharia | Pew Research Center's Religion & Public Life Project

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Now, what would ie, (worst case) 'Fundamental-Christian-Pat-Robertson-land' do to Apostates and Adulterers?
Send them for counseling?
There is NO comparison between the two.
You and many others here post NONSENSICAL PC Garbage/Apologism about Islam despite Regular destructions of your Lies.
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UNTOUCHED.
 
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Jetboogieman said:
This is good, now we're getting past your slime and you're really making it clear just how xenophobic you truly are.

It's good progress, no more beating around the bush.
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Xenophibic? Moi?

In fact I'm not the one advocating violence or carrying out terrorism throughout the world. Nor am I advocating the stoning of women, the shooting and maiming of little girls, the execution of Gays, or murdering children while they're attending school.

Your obvious reluctance to speak out on these acts while calling those who protest against them 'xenophobic' (and you may not be clear on its meaning) clearly shows where your sympathies lie.
 
mbig said:
The whole debate has again been Perverted by the Strawman "Terrorist" of DISHONEST Posts of pro-Muslim PCers.
You gotta love Invoking the First Amendment for people who might very well Take it away if given the chance....UNTOUCHED.
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The facts seem to speak for themselves.
 
Grant said:
The facts seem to speak for themselves.
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And even in the Tiny genre/Strawman of "Terrorism", Muslims, as ALWAYS, are holding up their end quite well/INORDINATELY!

ie, 50 Foiled plots (and perhaps 200 arrests) in/against America since 9/11
Heritage.org
50 Terror Attacks Foiled Since 9/11
Not including 'Successful' plots like Fort Hood.

FIFTY Muslim Terror Plots in America in 10 Years thru 2011, most 'Home Grown'.

The PCers Lies fall apart when numbers are posted.
How's Europe doing with their Disastrous minorities of such?
They're cutting immigration and ability to go on welfare of these new large-family immigrants.
 
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