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Kennesaw City Council rejects mosque proposal

Grand Mal said:
D'ya think maybe meetings held in barns and homes might be richer breeding grounds? Is your America a place where people aren't free to worship according to their beliefs?
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They could be but, this administration has made mosques a place where we're not suppose to monitor.
 
Hard Truth said:
Sure you can, such people are un-American with their disregard for our constitutional right to freedom of religion and to be considered innocent unless found guilty of a crime after a fair trial. They are stupidly bigoted and/or ignorant if they think all two billion of the world's Muslims are a threat.
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No one said they believed that way. They simply perceived a threat in this instance, real or not.
 
Hatuey said:
Using science to validate your ridiculous claims about what constitutes a real and false religion? Ballsy....
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Using analogy to show the ordering of words. An change a phrase's meaning. Thus saying that "X is true" is not the same as saying that "X is truly Y".

jamesrage said:
You claimed Islam is a false religion.I proved you wrong by providing you a definition of religion. How does Islam not meet the definition of religion?
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"X is a false Y" is equivalent to "X is a Y that is false", not "X is not really Y".
 
Hard Truth said:
Your argument might work except we have seen fundamentalist Christians do the same things in the USA. In fact they had a lot of success imposing their beliefs on others until the 196O's. That same behavior can be found throughout history and all over the world amongst many political, religious and other groups, it is not unique o Muslims.
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One word: Sharia

Which would you rather live under?
 
Paleocon said:
Using analogy to show the ordering of words. An change a phrase's meaning. Thus saying that "X is true" is not the same as saying that "X is truly Y".
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What a convoluted way to admit you screwed up. You just used the expanding nature of scientific thought to prove a point about which religion was true. Ignoring the fact that science has proved many claims by the bible to be impossible... that's gotta be a pretty big gaffe.

"X is a false Y" is equivalent to "X is a Y that is false", not "X is not really Y".
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... Please tell me you were home schooled....
 
Hatuey said:
What a convoluted way to admit you screwed up. You just used the expanding nature of scientific thought to prove a point about which religion was true. Ignoring the fact that science has proved many claims by the bible to be impossible... that's gotta be a pretty big gaffe.



... Please tell me you were home schooled....
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I can't help it if you can't follow a simple analogy.
 
Paleocon said:
I can't help it if you can't follow a simple analogy.
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Oh no, I can follow a simple analogy, what I can't follow are your lazy attempts at mental acrobatics.
 
tacomancer said:
Your flawed assumption is that mosque =danger

Also yes I can say otherwise due to a little thing called the first amendment
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Actually I'm arguing for their right to live in a secure environment of their choosing. I personally have not argued against a mosque in my neighborhood.

I secure my environment in other ways.
 
Has anyone identified who the Muslims behind this mosque request are?
 
Permission to build new mosques are very often refused in the UK..

Not for any racist reasons, but there are just too many of them..and they want to build them BIG!!

Four times the size of St Paul's cathedral to be precise..
 
Hard Truth said:
They probably will get sued.

Governments have restrictions on the criteria they can legally use to enforce laws or settle disputes, similar to the way judges are required to follow the laws they are enforcing and the applicable case law. Zoning decisions can not be legally justified if the sect of the religion is the deciding factor rather than the law itself and the observable impact of the new use of the location.
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That's what the courts are for. If they did anything wrong, the courts can sort them out on that. :)
 
WCH said:
Actually I'm arguing for their right to live in a secure environment of their choosing. I personally have not argued against a mosque in my neighborhood.

I secure my environment in other ways.
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Mosque != danger

So your argument is invalid
 
Papa bull said:
That's what the courts are for. If they did anything wrong, the courts can sort them out on that. :)
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It is stated in the article by the attorney for the group that they have filed suits in other towns and that they have all been settled out of court. This is a group and their lawyer making a proposal that they know will be unpopular in the most conservative areas they can find, not in the hopes of establishing a place of worship but in the hope that the populace will reject it so they can hide behind rhetoric for profit. It is a passive aggressive plan to extort money and nothing more. There is nothing to prevent these people from celebrating their religion.
 
tech30528 said:
It is stated in the article by the attorney for the group that they have filed suits in other towns and that they have all been settled out of court. This is a group and their lawyer making a proposal that they know will be unpopular in the most conservative areas they can find, not in the hopes of establishing a place of worship but in the hope that the populace will reject it so they can hide behind rhetoric for profit. It is a passive aggressive plan to extort money and nothing more. There is nothing to prevent these people from celebrating their religion.
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It does seem a lot like a scam, but I think the courts can still sort that out.
 
Papa bull said:
That's what the courts are for. If they did anything wrong, the courts can sort them out on that. :)
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Exactly what they want. It would be interesting to see how the money collected from previously settled cases was spent. Eventually somebody is going to look in to that and the practice will likely end. Quietly of course.
 
Papa bull said:
It does seem a lot like a scam, but I think the courts can still sort that out.
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That would be nice. Even better would be for the attorney, provided he is found guilty of these shady dealings, was dealt with in accordance to Sharia law. Do you know what the penalty is for repeated theft?
 
WCH said:
They could be but, this administration has made mosques a place where we're not suppose to monitor.
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How so? I thought they could spy on everyone in the name of homeland security.
 
tech30528 said:
Not all Muslims are terrorists, but it appears the vast majority of terrorists are Muslim. Is that a chance we are willing to take in your own town? Especially when these acts of terror are not denounced by the rest of those "moderate" Muslims? It seems like being "fair" is the issue, but it is only considered the right thing to do in someone else's town.
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The "vast majority of terrorists" in America have not been Muslims. They get the publicity because of 9/11 and the ongoing drumbeat of fear. "The FBI says that there "is no single, universally accepted, definition of terrorism," but the U.S. federal code defines it as “the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.”"
and
"It's worth noting that the Earth Liberation Front and the Animal Liberation Front have been two of the most active groups since 1970, with 161 attacks total (and 84 since 2001). But they've killed zero people over the years — they mainly focus on setting fire to facilities, like SUV dealerships."

Case in point the Keystone Pipeline. It is reasonable that the pipeline would be good for the country as a whole and that we already have thousands of miles of pipelines that have a very low failure rate, and yet it is opposed by locals. Always me me me first.
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No, it is not "reasonable" to believe the Keystone XL pipeline would be of much benefit to America. Yes, locals in the Midwest are very much against the pipeline because of fears concerning contamination of the Ogallala Aquifer. Here's one comment from some 'liberal' group https://www.kpmg.com/RU/ru/IssuesAn...nts/Выпуск 6/pipeline-failures-are-common.pdf More on the subject from the 'liberal' Wall Street Journal, Monitors Often Miss Oil Pipeline Leaks - WSJ Gee, I wonder why this was the final paragraph in the article: "But a study commissioned by PHMSA found most pipeline operators didn't want to upgrade, fearing higher costs and false alarms. They already get dozens of alarms each hour with traditional methods, which makes it harder to detect serious problems said Richard Kuprewicz, president of Accufacts Inc., a consulting firm."
A couple of years ago we had the Westboro Baptists here to protest the "Diversity Club" in our county high school, a club for gay and lesbian students. We ran them out of town. Not the kids, the protesters. We now have a club for gay and lesbian kids in our high school. So much for conservative Christians hating on gays... They are our kids and we love them. I know that doesn't fit the narrative, but hey, that can be ignored in order to continue pushing a false narrative.
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Good for your town but it would seem to be an exception. 'I have issues with teaching it's OK to be gay'
Tampabay: Parents enlist church in fight against school club
ACLU, GLSEN: Florida’s Lake County School Board plans to ban all student clubs to stop GSA | Steve Rothaus' Gay South Florida
 
WCH said:
Somerville said:
Yep, defending the right of one group to gather in worship must mean I really really hate some other group. What's that old saying about making assumptions?

The funny part for those of us on the outside is the similarity of positions held by fundamentalists of Muslim and Christian stripe, yet the two claim they are so different.

Anti-womens rights: Check

Anti "sodomy": Check

Anti abortion: Check

Patriarchal dominance: Check

Anti pornography: Check

I'm sure there are more that others can add to the list
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Is that a list of the things you hold dear to your heart?
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Ha Ha! Funny! I could ask the same question of you and mine would be more grammatically correct.

Please note the "Anti-" prefix, for your question to make sense, you should have deleted it from each of the points. So I must "assume" that you do agree with Muslim fundamentalists.
 
tech30528 said:
It is stated in the article by the attorney for the group that they have filed suits in other towns and that they have all been settled out of court. This is a group and their lawyer making a proposal that they know will be unpopular in the most conservative areas they can find, not in the hopes of establishing a place of worship but in the hope that the populace will reject it so they can hide behind rhetoric for profit. It is a passive aggressive plan to extort money and nothing more. There is nothing to prevent these people from celebrating their religion.
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Confirmation of the point I made in the OP about citizens who hate it when government spends money but seem to be quite willing to throw their taxpayer dollars into the drain when it comes down to their "True Beliefs"

The Muslim groups would get no money if the various city councils gave up their useless fights.

Apparently there are some who believe Muslim Americans are only trying to raise mosques in the "most conservative areas" to take money from the gullible. Whereas I think it may be because Muslim Americans live in the area where they wish to build a mosque.
 
WCH said:
So you speak for the people of.Kennesaw?
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It doesn't matter, first amendment. If they are denying on the basis of religion, its illegal

If those folks have a problem with it, they are free to take it up with the scotus
 
Somerville said:
Ha Ha! Funny! I could ask the same question of you and mine would be more grammatically correct.

Please note the "Anti-" prefix, for your question to make sense, you should have deleted it from each of the points. So I must "assume" that you do agree with Muslim fundamentalists.
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If you're sure what my question was then answer it .
 
tacomancer said:
It doesn't matter, first amendment. If they are denying on the basis of religion, its illegal

If those folks have a problem with it, they are free to take it up with the scotus
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So you don't know if it's based on religion or simply security concerns?
 
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