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The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

I don't suppose it would do any good to point out to them that their "hands up, don't shoot" protest and solidarity is ALL based on a lie and that this whole riot/protest situation is just a bunch of stupid people manipulated into believing that same lie.
 
Mason66 said:
What does my opinion have to do with anything. They are basing the action on a lie before a game.

If they allow this protest they must allow any protest any other team member wants to engage in no matter the subject matter.
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If your opinion has nothing to do with anything, why do we all have to listen to it?

Was this allowed because it was about a black person?
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And now the CPC race card. Good job.
 
VanceMack said:
I don't suppose it would do any good to point out to them that their "hands up, don't shoot" protest and solidarity is ALL based on a lie and that this whole riot/protest situation is just a bunch of stupid people manipulated into believing that same lie.
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Does that mean that they are not entitled to an opinion?

The whole TP "Obama is a socialist" schtick isn't really based in reality either, but I don't see you losing your **** over that.
 
Ikari said:
What the fudge isnt hyper political these days? In the Rams or NFL want to do something, that's their business. But it ain't yours.
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Can you provide evidence that the Rams organization or the NFL authorized the actions of the five players?

imo, the team organization nor the NFL approved such actions.
 
rocket88 said:
Does that mean that they are not entitled to an opinion?

The whole TP "Obama is a socialist" schtick isn't really based in reality either, but I don't see you losing your **** over that.
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1-you are wrong. I have defended Obama and specifically on the subject being a socialist.
2-no...they aren't entitled to an 'opinion' about facts. They ARE absolutely entitled to be wrong. They are entitled to ignore facts and make stupid decisions and label them a belief. You are entitled to defend their stupid decisions. But what you are doing is advocating that someone having an 'opinion' that 2+2=5 is their right. And see...that's not an opinion, that's a blatant, willful self deception. That's knowing better and still clinging to their stupidity. But again...you have the right to defend them.
 
mike2810 said:
Can you provide evidence that the Rams organization or the NFL authorized the actions of the five players?

imo, the team organization nor the NFL approved such actions.
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No, they didn't. They ruled that they had exercised their free speech and left it at that. Both the Rams and the NFL had all the position to push forward if they wanted to, they didn't. Those are the only folk who really had a say in punishment.
 
rocket88 said:
They supported what they thought was right. Nobody got hurt (except for the Raiders, wow...). The Miami Heat came out for warmups wearing hoodies during the Trayvon Martin kerfuffle. After Sterling's comments, the Clippers made a show of warming up without anything that said "Clippers" on it. You could even say it's something of a political statement that Daniel Snyder's NFL team continues to wear gear that says "Redskins."

The important thing is that nobody got hurt. You may not agree, but they said their piece and nobody got hurt as a result. You don't have a right to have your political views catered to.
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They, the players had every right to do what they did. I think a sporting event was the wrong avenue as we watch football to get away from the drudge, the fears, of daily life and spent sometime in a bit of the fantasy world. But this was not the first sporting event for a player or players to display some sort of protest and it will not be the last.

Outside of a small disagreement of the choice of stages, I am fine with it.
 
Ikari said:
No, they didn't. They ruled that they had exercised their free speech and left it at that. Both the Rams and the NFL had all the position to push forward if they wanted to, they didn't. Those are the only folk who really had a say in punishment.
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That is fine.

However as a fan of the NFL I have the right to voice an opinion that is was inappropriate. Free speech you know:mrgreen:
 
Does anyone really care what a bunch of football players think? They're probably as uninformed as most of the residents of Ferguson are. As was said earlier, they'll be the first to call the St Louis PD if they need them and probably have many of their officers working side jobs as security for them similar to the San Francisco case earlier this year. No telling how many DUI's, domestic abuse incidents, petty drug arrests, etc have been swept under the rug by the St Louis PD for them. If we see some Rams players going down for various offenses soon, we'll know why lol
 
MarineTpartier said:
Does anyone really care what a bunch of football players think? They're probably as uninformed as most of the residents of Ferguson are. As was said earlier, they'll be the first to call the St Louis PD if they need them and probably have many of their officers working side jobs as security for them similar to the San Francisco case earlier this year. No telling how many DUI's, domestic abuse incidents, petty drug arrests, etc have been swept under the rug by the St Louis PD for them. If we see some Rams players going down for various offenses soon, we'll know why lol
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There are people--particularly impressionable kids--at do care what these dumbasses have to say. The problem I have, is that the claim that Brown was surrendering is a bald-face-****ing-lie. These idiots are promoting the lie.
 
Perotista said:
They, the players had every right to do what they did. I think a sporting event was the wrong avenue as we watch football to get away from the drudge, the fears, of daily life and spent sometime in a bit of the fantasy world. But this was not the first sporting event for a player or players to display some sort of protest and it will not be the last.

Outside of a small disagreement of the choice of stages, I am fine with it.
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You're ok with these clowns promoting a lie?
 
apdst said:
There are people--particularly impressionable kids--at do care what these dumbasses have to say. The problem I have, is that the claim that Brown was surrendering is a bald-face-****ing-lie. These idiots are promoting the lie.
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Amen.
 
MarineTpartier said:
Does anyone really care what a bunch of football players think? They're probably as uninformed as most of the residents of Ferguson are. As was said earlier, they'll be the first to call the St Louis PD if they need them and probably have many of their officers working side jobs as security for them similar to the San Francisco case earlier this year. No telling how many DUI's, domestic abuse incidents, petty drug arrests, etc have been swept under the rug by the St Louis PD for them. If we see some Rams players going down for various offenses soon, we'll know why lol
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Kids don't know their not informed though. If anything, all this does it to serve to justify the actions of the entire movement, including those fools looting and burning down buildings.
 
tres borrachos said:
I'm a libertarian, and I don't see where you "espoused a libertarian position on this." Can you show me where the libertarian position on exceptional black football players being supported in protest and exceptional white football players not being equally supported in protest is documented?
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The libertarian position is thus: The players and officers are all free to use their positions to make political statements. The league and teams are free to sanction them for that speech, should they so choose. The state, however, is restrained from taking action against any citizen for political speech thanks to the First Amendment. Thus, if a white player makes a pro KKK statement in public, he's free to do so, but he'll probably lose his job and become a public villain. I'm cool with that.

The reason their status as "exceptional" matters is because they're difficult to replace, making sanctioning that speech much more painful for the employer.

I see the Rams receivers making their "hands up" gesture and the officers issuing a statement as both being ethical uses of speech, but that doesn't mean there's no risk.
 
haymarket said:
Because you are unable to do so.
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:shrug: because it isn't true. You don't have a right to engage in political speech at your place of employment. If you did, you employers wouldn't be allowed to have those restrictions in the first place.
 
VanceMack said:
1-you are wrong. I have defended Obama and specifically on the subject being a socialist.
2-no...they aren't entitled to an 'opinion' about facts. They ARE absolutely entitled to be wrong. They are entitled to ignore facts and make stupid decisions and label them a belief. You are entitled to defend their stupid decisions. But what you are doing is advocating that someone having an 'opinion' that 2+2=5 is their right. And see...that's not an opinion, that's a blatant, willful self deception. That's knowing better and still clinging to their stupidity. But again...you have the right to defend them.
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I didn't say they were right. I said they have a right to their opinion, and they have the right to express it. They did. There you go. They are allowed to have opinions that differ from yours.
 
MarineTpartier said:
If we see some Rams players going down for various offenses soon, we'll know why lol
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So you're saying the police will nab someone without reason. And you're OK with that? Police overstepping their bounds is what the whole thing is about when you strip away the race baiting.

But yeah, "libertarians" are fine with that.
 
rocket88 said:
So you're saying the police will nab someone without reason. And you're OK with that?
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That's not what he's saying Rocket, He is saying that the Rams players get away with stuff because of their status as local celebrities. Now, maybe they won't get said preferential treatment.
 
apdst said:
You're ok with these clowns promoting a lie?
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Free speech includes lies. If it didn't every politician in this country would be behind bars, in jail. As for Brown, I don't know what happened. There has been so many versions told one has lost track of how many. Every eye witnesses to the event tells several different stories. So basically one believes in the story one wants to believe in.

There is no way anyone knows exactly what went down. There are way too many discrepancies. Am I going to get upset by the actions of 5 St. Louis players, no I am not. I have bigger fish to fry.
 
rocket88 said:
So you're saying the police will nab someone without reason. And you're OK with that? Police overstepping their bounds is what the whole thing is about when you strip away the race baiting.

But yeah, "libertarians" are fine with that.
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Have you no clue about context? I had literally JUST EXPLAINED in the sentences before about how cops shield players from legal action. I even brought up the 49ers case where a cop a player knew was called to a domestic disturbance before 911 was called. Sorry about your fail.
 
cpwill said:
:shrug: because it isn't true. You don't have a right to engage in political speech at your place of employment. If you did, you employers wouldn't be allowed to have those restrictions in the first place.
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Now all you have to do is show us those restrictions were in place.
 
Hamster Buddha said:
That's not what he's saying Rocket, He is saying that the Rams players get away with stuff because of their status as local celebrities. Now, maybe they won't get said preferential treatment.
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Thank you. Someone that actually understands the concept of context and not taking one sentence out of it.
 
rocket88 said:
It's not the same kind of statement, but it is a political statement.
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Anyone doing the "hands up, don't shoot" meme at this point is a conspiracy theory nutjob.
 
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