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The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

No you don't got it. Nor apparently do you understand freedom of speech.

I don't see freedom of speech as the issue at all. Are the players right to hit a fan; ala Mike Curtis, who runs out onto the field? It is freedom of expression - yes? Are the networks wrong to not show such an American exercising is freedom of expression?



It's a have some class issue.
 
The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest - The Daily Fix - WSJ

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Professional sports are rarely a province for civil unrest. Take it from a young Michael Jordan, upon being asked to donate to a political campaign, apocryphally responding with “Republicans buy sneakers, too.” But there’s certainly opportunity to players to speak out, and on Sunday, several players for the St. Louis Rams made their voices heard.

As they came out of the tunnel during introductions before their game against the Oakland Raiders, Tavon Austin, Jared Cook, Chris Givens, Stedman Bailey, and Kenny Britt raised their hands in reference to the “Hands Up, Don’t Shoot” protest—a sign that became ubiquitous during the recent protests in Ferguson, Mo., over the shooting death of black teenager Michael Brown by white police officer Darren Wilson. Following the subsequent investigation, a grand jury decided not to indict Wilson. Protesters across the country have voiced their displeasure with the decision—a number of them were stationed outside the Edward James Dome, where the Rams play. The gesture didn’t go unnoticed, even as the players, all of whom are black, tried to be diplomatic. Britt was quoted as saying, “Taking sides? We wanted to show that we were there for a cause that something positive comes out of it.”

As far as dialogue between opposing sides, much of which has exposed fractious fault lines within attitudes toward race and state, this passes for downright tranquil. And yet, the players were immediately criticized by the St. Louis Police Officers Association, which released a fiery statement criticizing the players and demanding an appropriate response—reprimand from the team, or the league


I don't blame the St. Louis PD. WTF? It was proven that Brown was not shot with his hands up in surrender contrary to what his little sidekick in the convenience store robbery claimed - and which people have clung on to as if it were true.

I'll bet these guys would call the St. Louis PD in a second if there big fancy houses were being robbed.

The PD's statement is here, and it is indeed "fiery"

SLPOA condemns Rams display

Protest is great. Support your cause. I'd love to see the Rams support some causes that are important to me and lots of others too, like animal abuse and elder abuse. But if they did do it where the protest could be seen, I would hope they would be honest about what happened and not feed into the rhetoric and propaganda as they did on Sunday.

They shouldn't be punished for exercising their first amendment rights. As for the St. Louis Police, they get away with so much crap, that I don't care if the PD is angry. It's about time they get ****ed instead of them ****ing someone else.
 
Oh I don't? Well please good sir, enlighten me. For I took freedom of speech to mean that a man can express his opinions, particularly where it applies to government, freely and without government intervention. Now I already said its up to the Rams and NFL, but it seems perhaps you think the restrictions should extend past that. So why dont you enlighten us all here, why don't you state explicitly what other restrictions are upon Free Speech. You know, so that I can understand what freedom really means.

I'll wait.

Sure, but you are truly unaware of what other restrictions upon free speech are mandated? Take a look at censorship law as it regards broadcast. I won't wait for you to get the point, could be ages.
 
They shouldn't be punished for exercising their first amendment rights. As for the St. Louis Police, they get away with so much crap, that I don't care if the PD is angry. It's about time they get ****ed instead of them ****ing someone else.

So you'd be fine if next week some white players come out with signs that say "The ni&&er got what we he deserved".
 
Well I see your point. At the same token, IF this is allowed, then yes they should allow that to be consistent. You can't allow one party to express their views and not the other. But now that I think about it, it would be really dumb for white football players to say that considering who they are playing with.
 
Many NFL players have been tweeting their support of Ray Rice since the other day. Maybe they think it's okay to smack your fiancée silly.

They are all about second (third, fourth, fifth?) chances for their fellow convicted players yet, even when faced with a GJ of their peers not finding Wilson criminally responsible, Wilson must be protested. They are simply (racist?) morons that chose to ignore facts, hands in the air was found to be a myth, and focus on feelings.
 
Sure, but you are truly unaware of what other restrictions upon free speech are mandated? Take a look at censorship law as it regards broadcast. I won't wait for you to get the point, could be ages.

So the FCC censors, so we can censor everything, that's your argument? Pathetic appeal to authority. How about instead of dodging, you answer the question?
 
They probably all strong armed a convenience store before the game.
 
So you'd be fine if next week some white players come out with signs that say "The ni&&er got what we he deserved".

That's baaaad. What if white players came out shooting their hands like guns...?

Mike Curtis
 
So you'd be fine if next week some white players come out with signs that say "The ni&&er got what we he deserved".

Did these players hold up a sign with a derogatory statement written on it?
 
They shouldn't be punished for exercising their first amendment rights. As for the St. Louis Police, they get away with so much crap, that I don't care if the PD is angry. It's about time they get ****ed instead of them ****ing someone else.
So when Tebow caught hell for prayer, it was not a First Amendment deal?
 
Well I see your point. At the same token, IF this is allowed, then yes they should allow that to be consistent. You can't allow one party to express their views and not the other. But now that I think about it, it would be really dumb for white football players to say that considering who they are playing with.

That's the point. It would have to be all or nothing, and IMO "all" would make it a very slippery slope. If these guys got their time, theoretically any player now has the right to make any kind of protest or political statement. And that would be chaos.
 
They are all about second (third, fourth, fifth?) chances for their fellow convicted players yet, even when faced with a GJ of their peers not finding Wilson criminally responsible, Wilson must be protested. They are simply (racist?) morons that chose to ignore facts, hands in the air was found to be a myth, and focus on feelings.

Well, they're definitely morons, that's for sure.
 
As a statement regarding the treatment of blacks in the justice system, from police to attorneys to juries to judges, it's true and noteworthy. Sure, all evidence points to it being BS in the case of Brown, but that does not invalidate the general political statement.

Nonsense. This is 100% about Brown. What other "hands in the air" case are they referencing? Why was this not done before the Brown non-indictment?
 
Good on the NFL!!! :clap:

Good on them. They won't have any problem if the white Rams come out on the field next week with their hands formed as if they are holding guns and shooting at the crowd in support of Office Wilson.
 
:shock: Holy ****!

I remember watching that game, that's why I have such a keen memory of that incident. It took everybody by surprise and people applauded Curtis for it. I thought it was funny as hell.
 
I remember watching that game, that's why I have such a keen memory of that incident. It took everybody by surprise and people applauded Curtis for it. I thought it was funny as hell.

Was that when the Colts were really the Colts (as in the days of Ray Berry and the great Johnny U)?
 
So the FCC censors, so we can censor everything, that's your argument? Pathetic appeal to authority. How about instead of dodging, you answer the question?

No, my argument from the very beginning before you went on to display that you know little about freedom of speech, was that this is not a free speech issue.
 
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