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NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record[W:199]

Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

You do realise that this is a perfect example of the self-centered nature of far too many objections to AGW. "I'm cold, it's snowing! There ain't no global warming!" being said by a person living in a northern portion of the globe during the early days of winter, while people in Australia are sun-bathing on the beaches in 90 degree plus weather. Where you live ain't the "globe" and what you experience ain't an indicator of the entire world's average temperature.

I know this. You should tell Climate.gov about the warming, because they're busily explaining the pause. You should also understand that the history NOAA uses for temperatures is the very same data base that has been discredited - the East Anglia one. That's the same data base the IPCC employs. A significant portion of that data is simply made up by programmers who were tasked with filling in the blanks in order to make that particular data base even work at all.
 
Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

You do realise that this is a perfect example of the self-centered nature of far too many objections to AGW. "I'm cold, it's snowing! There ain't no global warming!" being said by a person living in a northern portion of the globe during the early days of winter, while people in Australia are sun-bathing on the beaches in 90 degree plus weather. Where you live ain't the "globe" and what you experience ain't an indicator of the entire world's average temperature.

AGW still can't be proven without manipulation of the data.
If it was real, the models would support the data.
 
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Hey, you want to get rid of all the blacktop in the US, I'm all for it. Those urban type folks won't be too pleased, but screw em. :mrgreen:

Truckers might also take issue.

Ooh, and pilots. I land on grass sometimes but I have a hard time imagining Delta making that work.
 
Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

AGW still can't be proven without manipulation of the data.
If it was real, the models would support the data.

Ahh yes, another person who was told that the data got changed, read some article where they put "homogenization" in scare quotes, and you just assumed that the "manipulation" was somehow unwarranted.
 
Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

Ahh yes, another person who was told that the data got changed, read some article where they put "homogenization" in scare quotes, and you just assumed that the "manipulation" was somehow unwarranted.

And still, they can't get their models to work.
 
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And still, they can't get their models to work.

You mean the ones that have predicted record warming over the last 30 years?

They worked just fine. You just lived through the warmest October ever recorded.
 
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Amazing that those who see themselves as the most intelligent are the most gullible. Must be that "everyone is a winner" BS so common in public school systems.

I have an "environmental" item on every repair order that goes out of my shop and nobody complains about it. Fact is I charge a fee for tire disposal that covers my costs on having them recycled, my waste oil is sold to a company that filters it and sells it for heating oil, My air conditioning equipment recycles the refrigerant I recover out of systems I'm working on. My used antifreeze is recycled, it costs me less than new. The "environmental" fee doesn't go to anything environmental, it covers my credit card processing costs. Because if it said "credit card processing fee" people get upset. It might as well say "for the children".

So what I would like to know from all of you AGW zealots (because that is what you are, forcing your religion on others) is what are you personally doing to benefit the environment?
 
Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

And still, they can't get their models to work.

The sun did something unexpected, so the models would naturally not account for that.
 
Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

AGW still can't be proven without manipulation of the data.
If it was real, the models would support the data.

It's worse than just manipulation. It's flat out made up in some instances. I keep posting this because this particular data base is the data base for historic temperature that NOAA and various other agencies, including the IPCC, rely on to produce histories and trend lines. Not one of the AGW crowd here seems to want to address it.

'Botch after botch after botch' | Columnists | Opinion | Toronto Sun

Yes, it's old news. However, they still use this data base. They just don't want to admit it because it makes the temperature history extremely doubtful, and that's being generous.
 
Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

NOAA and similar agencies compensate for these effects, which are actually quite small, and track reference weather stations in unpopulated areas. I.e. the increases in recorded temperatures has nothing to do with urban heat islands.

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Ahhh, the infamous Jones study of Chinese station data.... published at Skeptical Science no less... Jones is the star of Climategate, need I say more?

Jones' co-author of this paper, Wei-Chyung Wang, provided Chinese station data. Jones didn't bother to verify the data and it turns out the stations had moved multiple times negating their usefulness. The paper has been discredited.

Jones is also the guy that wrote that he "just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years to hide the decline". In other words, he admitted to scientific fraud.

By the way, that's the "decline" that some of you refuse to admit has occurred.
 
Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

It's worse than just manipulation. It's flat out made up in some instances. I keep posting this because this particular data base is the data base for historic temperature that NOAA and various other agencies, including the IPCC, rely on to produce histories and trend lines. Not one of the AGW crowd here seems to want to address it.

'Botch after botch after botch' | Columnists | Opinion | Toronto Sun

Yes, it's old news. However, they still use this data base. They just don't want to admit it because it makes the temperature history extremely doubtful, and that's being generous.

This data base (Hadcrut) correlated very well to other databases, including GISS.

The chances of both databases being as unreliable as you say, yet mirroring each other for decades suggests that your post is full of BS.
 
Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

Ahhh, the infamous Jones study of Chinese station data.... published at Skeptical Science no less... Jones is the star of Climategate, need I say more?

Jones' co-author of this paper, Wei-Chyung Wang, provided Chinese station data. Jones didn't bother to verify the data and it turns out the stations had moved multiple times negating their usefulness. The paper has been discredited.

Jones is also the guy that wrote that he "just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years to hide the decline". In other words, he admitted to scientific fraud.

By the way, that's the "decline" that some of you refuse to admit has occurred.

No. Just, no.

You've gotten so many things wrong in this post, I won't even bother to enumerate them.

It's like a six year old with a college physics textbook. The language is there, but not much else.
 
Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

It's worse than just manipulation. It's flat out made up in some instances. I keep posting this because this particular data base is the data base for historic temperature that NOAA and various other agencies, including the IPCC, rely on to produce histories and trend lines. Not one of the AGW crowd here seems to want to address it.

'Botch after botch after botch' | Columnists | Opinion | Toronto Sun

Yes, it's old news. However, they still use this data base. They just don't want to admit it because it makes the temperature history extremely doubtful, and that's being generous.

Anyone leading off with the old "trick to hide the decline" nonsense is uninformed on the subject and should not be listened to.

Bad database software doesn't mean the data is suspect. And, you are aware that all of the data can be verified, right? Like, you weren't really under the impression that a university over in the UK is the proprietor of all the world's temperature data, right? You don't think, like, the US National Weather Service also has that information, maybe?
 
Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

This data base (Hadcrut) correlated very well to other databases, including GISS.

The chances of both databases being as unreliable as you say, yet mirroring each other for decades suggests that your post is full of BS.

Actually, the content of the article I linked to demonstrates that the entire data base is BS.
 
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Let us assume that GW is real and that man plays a significant role. Why should I care?

I know that question may seem harsh but I honestly wish to know why I should really be concerned about it. Being on the latter half of my life what changes may happen that will significantly affect me personally?

If that seems a bit selfish than you would be correct. I have very little sympathy when it comes to humans. We are the most destructive force on the planet that by large could care less what our behavior does to other species or the planet. GW's possible affects personally bothers me more because of what it may mean for other life on the planet that played no part than I am about humans. As far as I am concerned if GW causes mankind great hardship or extinction it would be just what we asked for. We (most) totally disregard other life in our day to day, we do not even consider them we are so self absorbed. Why do we deserve anything better than self annihilation?

I was going to type something - but your post beat me to it (cannot rep you for it for some reason).

I agree with every word 100%.

I would just add that I feel guilt free (practically) in this mess. I try all that conservation stuff (within reason) - so my conscious is clear.

If human kind is monumentally stupid enough to eradicate themselves because of this - then they got everything they deserved...I am quite sure the universe will not miss humanity one iota.

Quite frankly, I think humanity is (so far) worse then useless. I do not wish it harm, but if it dies out after I (and everyone I love) is gone...so what?
 
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Anyone leading off with the old "trick to hide the decline" nonsense is uninformed on the subject and should not be listened to.

Telling. I didn't mention hiding the decline, anyway. I mentioned a corrupt data base.

Bad database software doesn't mean the data is suspect. And, you are aware that all of the data can be verified, right? Like, you weren't really under the impression that a university over in the UK is the proprietor of all the world's temperature data, right? You don't think, like, the US National Weather Service also has that information, maybe?

You didn't read the article. The CRU has the largest and most utilized temperature data base in the world, and a portion of that data is simply made up. The only mention of the software involved is to assert that the data base didn't function properly unless data was provided for every site listed. Nice attempt to deflect and change the subject. And no, the CRU isn't the only source of data - just the source for NOAA, the IPCC, and the global temperature measurements supplied to agencies like the US National Weather Service for global temperature records
 
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Not in the least.

But we all understand...it's all you've got.

No. Unfortunately, it's all you have, and it's basically a corrupt source, as the employee at CRU admits.
 
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Anyone leading off with the old "trick to hide the decline" nonsense is uninformed on the subject and should not be listened to.

You're right.... Phil Jones should not be listened to.
 
Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

No. Unfortunately, it's all you have, and it's basically a corrupt source, as the employee at CRU admits.

LOL. And none of the scientists who use this data daily say anything because they are a part of the Grand Conspiracy.
 
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You mean the ones that have predicted record warming over the last 30 years?

They worked just fine. You just lived through the warmest October ever recorded.

I mean linking the cause. Trust me, there have been warmer Octobers.
 
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I saw someone defending the peer review process in climate papers earlier in the thread. Reminded me of another infamous Jones email:

In one e-mail, dated July 2004, Jones wrote to Mann: "I can't see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin [Trenberth] and I will keep them out somehow — even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!"

Jones is almost better than Gruber.
 
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I mean linking the cause. Trust me, there have been warmer Octobers.

I've read your posts.
You haven't demonstrated much reason to trust you.

The guys who are educated and spend their professional careers on this stuff say it was warmest vs. Some anonymous dude on the net that's either too lazy or incompetent to find a link to his claim.
 
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LOL. And none of the scientists who use this data daily say anything because they are a part of the Grand Conspiracy.

I think it's more likely they use it because they don't have anything else. So you have nothing to offer to dispute the claim made in the linked article I take it, or you'd already have mentioned something of substance. You know, something more than LOL.
 
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This doesn't include the last two years but those records in the 20s and 30s still stand.

The continuous US constitutes less than 5% of the world's surface, so what is your point??
 
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