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NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record[W:199]

Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

You're absolutely right for once.

It never happened.

There were a few stories in Newsweek, but it wasnt 'all the climate scientists' by any stretch.

In fact, climate science already knew about the CO2 effect long before the 70s. It even made TV!



Sixty years later, the theory has been pretty much proven, with temperatures well above those of the 50s.


We didn't have "climatology" back then.
 
Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

You're absolutely right for once.

It never happened.

There were a few stories in Newsweek, but it wasnt 'all the climate scientists' by any stretch.

In fact, climate science already knew about the CO2 effect long before the 70s. It even made TV!



Sixty years later, the theory has been pretty much proven, with temperatures well above those of the 50s.


Even so, the maturity of the present knowledge of the climate, the present level of maturity of the theories, and the present level of the maturity of the models do not add up to reliable enough data to make life altering decisions on, at this point in time. Which was my main point anyway.

Get a few predictions correct, and then we'll talk more.
 
Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

Even so, the maturity of the present knowledge of the climate, the present level of maturity of the theories, and the present level of the maturity of the models do not add up to reliable enough data to make life altering decisions on, at this point in time. Which was my main point anyway.

Get a few predictions correct, and then we'll talk more.

I accept your admission that you were wrong.

Not sure what more you want. 30 years ago the prediction was that the world would be hotter then ever recorded about now.

It is.

Nailed it.
 
Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

And you have a better system?

This one has seemed to work fairly well for a century. Do you have problems with the peer review system in biology? Chemistry? Medicine? Any other discipline?

Why is your answer that I must develop a system for egg head, knuckle heads that sit around all day thinking up ****? You are the one that tried to trot out peer review as a debate stifle, and I showed you that peer review today has been corrupted, deal with it.
 
Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

To further illustrate the laughability of this comment, I'll note that we have not had a SINGLE MONTH that has been below the 1880-present AVERAGE since 1984. Thats somewhere about 350 months straight. So just having this November being below average would be remarkable, much less a month that is the 'coldest on record'.

If you’re younger than 28, you’ve never experienced a month of below average global temperature – Quartz

Gill is apparently 'destroying' people very, very incompetently. But its a great source of laughs.

Depends on the data set.

By the way, did I claim it was a record cold month globally ???
 
Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

Not even close to reality. Competition is steep for grant money, and peer review isn't a cakewalk.

And a corrupt system.
 
Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

One more time: I KNOW.

Reread what I posted a few more times, maybe you'll get it.

Great !! Good to see you agree with me.
 
Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

Why is your answer that I must develop a system for egg head, knuckle heads that sit around all day thinking up ****? You are the one that tried to trot out peer review as a debate stifle, and I showed you that peer review today has been corrupted, deal with it.

A simple 'no' would have sufficed.
 
Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

Depends on the data set.

By the way, did I claim it was a record cold month globally ???

Oh. We are discussing global warming, not your wife. Or living room, or whatever you were referring to.
 
Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

Oh. We are discussing global warming, not your wife. Or living room, or whatever you were referring to.

OK, done with you.

If you decide to discuss this like an adult, maybe we can continue.

Adios.
 
Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

OK, done with you.

If you decide to discuss this like an adult, maybe we can continue.

Adios.

I guess you only 'destroy' people when they don't point out your clearly irrational posts.
 
Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

Can't refute the evidence? Just handwave it all away!

You mean, the fabricated evidence?
 
Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

I accept your admission that you were wrong.

Not sure what more you want. 30 years ago the prediction was that the world would be hotter then ever recorded about now.

It is.

Nailed it.

Yeah, right. Yesterday I predicted the sun will rise today. Yee haww! I nailed it.
 
Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

Yeah, right. Yesterday I predicted the sun will rise today. Yee haww! I nailed it.

And I predict that you will dismiss any information that does not coincide with your predetermined conclusion.

Because arctic ice predictions were laid quite accurate.

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Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

A simple 'no' would have sufficed.

I have a problem with the peer review system as it is today, it is corrupted...But what I was answering is the stupid assertion that I must come up with a better system...That is the old "unqualified" argument, and is just not valid.
 
Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

I have a problem with the peer review system as it is today, it is corrupted...But what I was answering is the stupid assertion that I must come up with a better system...That is the old "unqualified" argument, and is just not valid.

I'm guessing your only acquaintance with the peer review system is what you recently read online from denier blogs.

It's like some guy wandering in off the street and telling an oncologist is doing his job all wrong because he read an article on Dr Ozs website.
 
Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

100 year old cold records were broken this year...and it's the hottest year on record? :lamo

It's only hilarious if you are bad at math.
 
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And I predict that you will dismiss any information that does not coincide with your predetermined conclusion.

Because arctic ice predictions were laid quite accurate.

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To be fair, they weren't entirely accurate. Ice melted faster than predicted.
 
Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

I have a problem with the peer review system as it is today, it is corrupted...But what I was answering is the stupid assertion that I must come up with a better system...That is the old "unqualified" argument, and is just not valid.

It's only corrupted when it says something you don't like.
 
Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

It's only hilarious if you are bad at math.

It's even more hilarious that you're bad with facts. oh, yeah...:lamo
 
Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

It's even more hilarious that you're bad with facts. oh, yeah...:lamo

You're the guy who thinks it's somehow ridiculous to see cold temperature records exist in the hottest year on record.

Honestly, if I have to explain to you why both of those things can happen in the same year, let me know. I'll help you out.
 
Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

You're the guy who thinks it's somehow ridiculous to see cold temperature records exist in the hottest year on record.

Honestly, if I have to explain to you why both of those things can happen in the same year, let me know. I'll help you out.

Record breaking cold temperatures.

No, no need to explain. What I would like to know is, what's going to be the new name of the hoax? Y'all had to ditch global warming and start using climate change. What's the new name going to be, when climate change is worn out?
 
Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

Record breaking cold temperatures.

No, no need to explain. What I would like to know is, what's going to be the new name of the hoax? Y'all had to ditch global warming and start using climate change. What's the new name going to be, when climate change is worn out?

You really do think that's contradictory, don't you? You think a record breaking cold temperature means this can't possibly be the warmest year on record.
 
Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

You really do think that's contradictory, don't you? You think a record breaking cold temperature means this can't possibly be the warmest year on record.

So, when it gets hot in the summer, are you going to echo the mantra that it's hot, because of global warming?
 
Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

Yeah, and all the polar bears should have drowned by now.

Minor aside in this slang fest (; most polar bears deaths were/are due to .308 caliber rifle ammunition issued by the Canadian government to aboriginals.

Almost ten years ago now, ( I think it was ) In the James Bay region alone, there were 105 tags ( permits to shoot ) Polar bears. The treaty natives objected to a proposed reduction in the number of tags issued.

One of the main voices in the opposition to the tag reduction, was the grandson of the innuit guide aboard RCMP Sergeant Larsens St Roch, a slightly longer than 100 foot wooden vessel that transited the northern northwest passage route in 88 days in 1944. The St Roch is currently in the Vancouver Maritime museum, I read the log books; but as of 2009 they aren’t available on board or on site anymore.

I think that was near the end of the last warm phase of the pacific decadal oscillation (1944) . The satellite pics recorded a polar ice high stand (late seventies ) , and the subsequent effects of the current warm phase of the pdo. I think it possible the effect of this natural influence is less recognized than it deserves.

I had to shoot a polar bear once, in 1978, because it wouldn’t let me out of the airplane. They can be pesks, some colonies are growing, some are decreasing.

The red line marks the 1944 St Roch voyage, I live on the left edge of the chart.

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Across the Northwest Passage: The Larsen Expeditions | Arctic Expedition | University of Calgary
 
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