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NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record[W:199]

Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

Weren't we supposed to be under water on the east coast by now? just sayin...
 
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j-mac said:
Weren't we supposed to be under water on the east coast by now? just sayin...
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Yeah, and all the polar bears should have drowned by now.
 
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Gill said:
Sorry to disappoint you, but your claim has been proven false:



Joseph Bast and Roy Spencer: The Myth of the Climate Change '97%' - WSJ
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The 97% number is from papers that express an opinion on global warming. I really have no idea why you think papers that express no opinion should be counted in the total. I mean, papers on astrophysics don't express an opinion on global warming either, why didn't you throw those in?
 
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Deuce said:
The 97% number is from papers that express an opinion on global warming. I really have no idea why you think papers that express no opinion should be counted in the total. I mean, papers on astrophysics don't express an opinion on global warming either, why didn't you throw those in?
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I have no idea what you are talking about. The authors in the post I quoted referenced the same papers as the blogger who claimed the 97% number.
 
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Gill said:
Weather trends and climate trends are two different items.

You are talking about weather.
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I am indeed. but weather trends including tempuratures, have a more instant effect than long term climate changes. The OP proclaim "hottest year on record", is he talking weather, or climate? ;)
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
I am indeed. but weather trends including tempuratures, have a more instant effect than long term climate changes. The OP proclaim "hottest year on record", is he talking weather, or climate? ;)
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Ahhh, I see your point now. In this case, the OP was talking about both.... the affect of weather on long-term climate.

By the way, I just saw that November 2014 has been ranked as one of the coldest in recorded history.
 
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Gill said:
Ahhh, I see your point now. In this case, the OP was talking about both.... the affect of weather on long-term climate.

By the way, I just saw that November 2014 has been ranked as one of the coldest in recorded history.
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Who ranked it? lol

but yeah, climate has cycles, weather can affect the levels of these cycles. Could humans have an affect too? Sure why not, is it as extreme as suggested? I don't think so at all. if it was, according to al gore, alaska would be tropical.

If this wasn't so political, we'd have a better understanding of it.
 
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Gill said:
Ahhh, I see your point now. In this case, the OP was talking about both.... the affect of weather on long-term climate.

By the way, I just saw that November 2014 has been ranked as one of the coldest in recorded history.
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LOL. November 2014 just ended a couple hours ago. I bet your data sources need to be wiped now. And dont forget to wash your hands.
 
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Gill said:
I have no idea what you are talking about. The authors in the post I quoted referenced the same papers as the blogger who claimed the 97% number.
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Yes, and the guy claiming the 97% number said 97% of papers expressing an opinion on global warming supported the consensus, not 97% of all papers on climate.

It wouldn't make sense to express an opinion on global warming if your paper is a paleoclimate reconstruction of temperatures from 100kybp to 400kybp.
 
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Deuce said:
Yes, and the guy claiming the 97% number said 97% of papers expressing an opinion on global warming supported the consensus, not 97% of all papers on climate.

It wouldn't make sense to express an opinion on global warming if your paper is a paleoclimate reconstruction of temperatures from 100kybp to 400kybp.
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And your point is ????

Nobody said a paper on paleoclimate was included, unless the blogger that originally claimed the bogus 97% number included it.
 
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Deuce said:
The 97% number is from papers that express an opinion on global warming. I really have no idea why you think papers that express no opinion should be counted in the total. I mean, papers on astrophysics don't express an opinion on global warming either, why didn't you throw those in?
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You are talking about the IPPC's agenda driven 97%, right? Duly noted.
 
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Gill said:
And your point is ????

Nobody said a paper on paleoclimate was included, unless the blogger that originally claimed the bogus 97% number included it.
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Of course they were included. They were papers on climate in peer reviewed journals.

A better analogy would be discussing the belief in gravity in physics. The vast majority of papers are not going to express an opinion on the existence of gravity, and the vast majority of those that do will confirm it exists.

But please, continue to 'destroy' us with your crack analysis. :lamo
 
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Gill said:
And your point is ????

Nobody said a paper on paleoclimate was included, unless the blogger that originally claimed the bogus 97% number included it.
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The people saying the 97% claim is bogus are counting all papers looked at. Many of those papers don't express an opinion on climate change in their abstract because it's not within their scope.
 
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Deuce said:
The people saying the 97% claim is bogus are counting all papers looked at. Many of those papers don't express an opinion on climate change in their abstract because it's not within their scope.
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One more time... they looked at the SAME papers !!!

Mr. Cook’s work was quickly debunked. In Science and Education in August 2013, for example, David R. Legates (a professor of geography at the University of Delaware and former director of its Center for Climatic Research) and three coauthors reviewed the same papers as did Mr. Cook and found “only 41 papers—0.3 percent of all 11,944 abstracts or 1.0 percent of the 4,014 expressing an opinion, and not 97.1 percent—had been found to endorse” the claim that human activity is causing most of the current warming.
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Reading can be your friend if done with comprehension.
 
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Verax said:
Tectonic plates don't move that fast, more like 5 feet tops, and I can't imagine that would change the climate???
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You're right, even the fastest move only a couple inches a year. But we weren't talking about world climate, he was asking about the mountains he lived in.

However, it may well make a change in global climate. Australia is moving north gradually removing Antarctica's polar current shield allowing warmer currents. It's been happening bit by bit and eventually will come that last inch that makes a tremendous difference.
 
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Gill said:
One more time... they looked at the SAME papers !!!



Reading can be your friend if done with comprehension.
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One more time: I KNOW.

Reread what I posted a few more times, maybe you'll get it.
 
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Gill said:
By the way, I just saw that November 2014 has been ranked as one of the coldest in recorded history.
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To further illustrate the laughability of this comment, I'll note that we have not had a SINGLE MONTH that has been below the 1880-present AVERAGE since 1984. Thats somewhere about 350 months straight. So just having this November being below average would be remarkable, much less a month that is the 'coldest on record'.

If you’re younger than 28, you’ve never experienced a month of below average global temperature – Quartz

Gill is apparently 'destroying' people very, very incompetently. But its a great source of laughs.
 
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Threegoofs said:
Of course they were included. They were papers on climate in peer reviewed journals.
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So, you have a bunch of Scientists, getting grants for their work, giving review of, and agreeing with others, and in turn submitting their own works, getting grant money, and giving review, and agreeing with others....

Sounds incestuous to me....

Hank Campbell: The Corruption of Peer Review Is Harming Scientific Credibility - WSJ

Peer review: a flawed process at the heart of science and journals

"...as the tale of Yo****aka Fujii shows, peer review doesn’t work too well as a fraud-detection system...."

The problem with peer review - Laboratory News
 
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j-mac said:
So, you have a bunch of Scientists, getting grants for their work, giving review of, and agreeing with others, and in turn submitting their own works, getting grant money, and giving review, and agreeing with others....

Sounds incestuous to me....

Hank Campbell: The Corruption of Peer Review Is Harming Scientific Credibility - WSJ

Peer review: a flawed process at the heart of science and journals

"...as the tale of Yo****aka Fujii shows, peer review doesn’t work too well as a fraud-detection system...."

The problem with peer review - Laboratory News
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And you have a better system?

This one has seemed to work fairly well for a century. Do you have problems with the peer review system in biology? Chemistry? Medicine? Any other discipline?
 
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j-mac said:
So, you have a bunch of Scientists, getting grants for their work, giving review of, and agreeing with others, and in turn submitting their own works, getting grant money, and giving review, and agreeing with others....
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Not even close to reality. Competition is steep for grant money, and peer review isn't a cakewalk.
 
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Is there a scarier religion in the world than the Global Warming moonies?
 
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Deuce said:
Not even close to reality. Competition is steep for grant money, and peer review isn't a cakewalk.
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Exactly. Anyone familiar with the grant system, and peer review, know its a tough process. Agreement is never a given, and usually you need to make a very solid case for both grants and to get through a challenging peer review process from the major journals. Minor journals can get stuff passed thru easier, and joke journals just require payment. Thats why you see all the deniers who cite research relying on the joke journals.
 
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Erod said:
Is there a scarier religion in the world than the Global Warming moonies?
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I love it when they try to bring science down to the level of religion, insulting all religious people in the process.

When Bill Nye "debated" creationism with Ken Ham, they got asked a question about what would change their mind.

Nye's answer, in short: "Evidence."

Ham's answer, in short: "Nothing."
 
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