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Wilson Leaves Lawn Half Mowed

Declan said:
When was the last time there a black kid in the hood who had a reasonable suspicion they were committing white collar crime?
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When was the last time stop and frisk had anything about white collar crime
 
Crosscheck said:
I sure didn't think Wilson was that big. So much for my future use to police in describing a suspect. I looked up his height and weight and found other source to say he is 6'4" 210 pounds.

So I was completely wrong in guessing his size. Perhaps it is body posture that just doesn't shout out NFL prospect.
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Or it's lawyer coaching him to appear as non-threatening as possible. But hey I'm sure that you, an adult, are indeed so earnestly naive as to assume that the lawyers don't communicate these sorts of things to their clients.:roll:
 
Declan said:
The the police arrest more black people in relation to their percentage of the population does not necessarily mean that crime is overrepresented in the black community. When was the last time they stop and frisked Wall Street and Capitol Hill whites when they were out on the streets of Georgetown?
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Stop and Frisk was proven to be a method to generate income and trump up charges. I'm surprised people are pretending they haven't read the reports.
 
OldWorldOrder said:
But...when was the last time they had reasonable suspicion someone was walking around with an illegal weapon or cocaine in those places?
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Considering the number of resignations it's pretty clear that people on the hill and Wall street avoid investigation simply because of the positions they hold.
 
Declan said:
Perhaps the black community in Ferguson feels that is what they have been experiencing in the form of an institutionalized mob. Who knows. Maybe it will cause cops to think twice before they kill someone whether their authority to use deadly force is worth the price of not trying a different approach.
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Yea. Deadly force is not the best choice when someone is trying to steal your gun and kill you. Look for another alternative. Unless the guy is a white Christian conservative right? Then he gets what he deserves.
 
OldWorldOrder said:
That's probably true, but once you start making excuses for people's lives being threatened not because of a legal infraction gone unpunished but a moral one, you're in trouble.
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I agree. I was only taking except to the term "did the right thing", when the more precise approach would be he did "what was in his rights" There is a big difference. Wilson gets to live with what he did; and, if you believe as I do, will one day account for it.

My problem is not so much with Wilson, its with all the people that think nothing of the fact that an unarmed 18 year old man, someone's son, ended up dead. They look past the tragedy of this and think its all "the right thing" to have happened. It amazes me how many trivialize the lives of others.... particularly inner city black males.
 
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upsideguy said:
Let us not confuse the idea that he was in his rights with doing the right thing..... He may have been within his rights; but he killed an unarmed man, that is rarely doing "the right thing."

I am sure a ton of people could speculate about a number of things Wilson could have done differently to prevent the death of an unarmed man. That level of second guessing was never a subject to the investigation.
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He killed a man that had assaulted him and was trying to take his gun away from him.

It boils down to one thing: If Brown hadn't gotten the, "that white mother****er ain't gona tell me what to do", attitude, he would be alive right now.

You can't blame Wilson for protecting himself.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
if you give the government the power to censure someone for endangering someone's life, it is only a matter of time until they start to abuse that power.
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So, yelling fire in a crowded building should be legal?
 
reinoe said:
Considering the number of resignations it's pretty clear that people on the hill and Wall street avoid investigation simply because of the positions they hold.
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Okay, which has nothing to do with stop and frisk.
 
OldWorldOrder said:
Okay, which has nothing to do with stop and frisk.
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If you're going to make the assumption that there's very little crime on Wall Street or capitol hill then yes, I bet crime statistics would increase if they were subjected to it. In the instance of new york there were times when the cops were literally making up **** to justify arrests. I'd love to see your reaction if McConnell or Boehner were arrested on a trumped up drug charge.
 
Declan said:
The the police arrest more black people in relation to their percentage of the population does not necessarily mean that crime is overrepresented in the black community. When was the last time they stop and frisked Wall Street and Capitol Hill whites when they were out on the streets of Georgetown?
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Your problem is that you'd rather believe a lie if its more pleasant. Blacks commit more crime, violent and non violent. Until you can admit that, everything else is just going to seem like one big injustice to you.

Guess what? I want cops where the crime is. If you were color blind instead of making (racist) excuses for one "victim" group or another you'd say the same.
 
upsideguy said:
I agree. I was only taking except to the term "did the right thing", when the more precise approach would be he did "what was in his rights" There is a big difference. Wilson gets to live with what he did; and, if you believe as I do, will one day account for it.

My problem is not so much with Wilson, its with all the people that think nothing of the fact that an unarmed 18 year old man, someone's son, ended up dead. They look past the tragedy of this and think its all "the right thing" to have happened. It amazes me how many trivialize the lives of others.... particularly inner city black males.
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I don't know of anybody who thinks that the death of an 18-year old, somebody's son, is "nothing." I surely would never trivialize any human life, and race (gender, orientation, religion, blah-blah-blah) have nothing to do with it. It's tragic that Michael Brown's life was cut short, but his choices led to his death.

I do think that Officer Wilson did what was right. He was upholding his duty, and he also had the right to defend his own life. But you can be satisfied that his life as he once knew it is ruined, as is his career in Ferguson, and that he will live in fear for quite some time.
 
reinoe said:
If you're going to make the assumption that there's very little crime on Wall Street or capitol hill then yes, I bet crime statistics would increase if they were subjected to it. In the instance of new york there were times when the cops were literally making up **** to justify arrests. I'd love to see your reaction if McConnell or Boehner were arrested on a trumped up drug charge.
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Okay, that has nothing to do with stop and frisk, though. Good talk?
 
Declan said:
The the police arrest more black people in relation to their percentage of the population does not necessarily mean that crime is overrepresented in the black community. When was the last time they stop and frisked Wall Street and Capitol Hill whites when they were out on the streets of Georgetown?
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when less than 6% of the population causes more than half the murders that suggests that this same group is rightfully getting more police attention than say elderly Hasidic Jews or Chinese-American women.
 
upsideguy said:
I agree. I was only taking except to the term "did the right thing", when the more precise approach would be he did "what was in his rights" There is a big difference. Wilson gets to live with what he did; and, if you believe as I do, will one day account for it.

My problem is not so much with Wilson, its with all the people that think nothing of the fact that an unarmed 18 year old man, someone's son, ended up dead. They look past the tragedy of this and think its all "the right thing" to have happened. It amazes me how many trivialize the lives of others.... particularly inner city black males.
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What amazes me, is how some people think that trashing Wilson and putting Brown on the pedestle of martyrdom somehow helps black folks.
 
Declan said:
The the police arrest more black people in relation to their percentage of the population does not necessarily mean that crime is overrepresented in the black community. When was the last time they stop and frisked Wall Street and Capitol Hill whites when they were out on the streets of Georgetown?
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When was the last time Wall Street, or Capital Hill whites knocked over a convenience store, or sold crack on a street corner?
 
The Liberal reaction to this is why Liberals are so dangerous.
 
Crosscheck said:
I sure didn't think Wilson was that big. So much for my future use to police in describing a suspect. I looked up his height and weight and found other source to say he is 6'4" 210 pounds.

So I was completely wrong in guessing his size. Perhaps it is body posture that just doesn't shout out NFL prospect.
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Immediately after the incident, Wilson was described as 6'2", 210 pounds. Since then, various media talking heads have added anywhere from 2-4" to his height, and as much as 30 pounds to his weight.

His Wiki says 6'4" 210 pounds as of today (rather soft, pudgy pounds, if the video I've seen of him is accurate). However, Mike Brown was at least 6'6" and weighed between 290 and 310 pounds. Any way you slice it, he was going against a guy that outweighed him by nearly 100 pounds, and was strong as an ox.

The media pulled this crap with Trayvon Martin too, a kid who was 5'10 and weighed about 140 pounds soaking wet. They blew up life-sized pictures of him in a hoodie, and claimed he was 6'2" tall by measuring to the tip of the hoodie, all to combat photos of the skinny kid on the autopsy table that looked all of 14 years old.

I freakin' hate the MSM. :2mad:
 
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